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Anyone tried using Inquisitor Lord Karamazov in your army? What are your opinions on his abilities?
Though I haven't actually used mine yet (I have it more for display purposes), I suggest staying away from any S10 weapons like Demolisher cannons or Dreadnought CCW's. Instant death is not fun.
There is no such thing as a plea for innocence in my court. A plea for innocence is guilty of wasting my time. Guilty.
- Inquisitor Lord Fyodor Karamazov
I think he's a fair choice, but two Cannonsses together will generally give you more mobility and utility, and he's costing you 4 faith. So he kinda wastes a slot + faith.
My Seraphim can do a lot of meanness to anybody with 4 faith.
That's two Rounds DG flamers and two rounds of 3+ Invuln to help survive till the end of his assault phase, for a free second shot and a re-charge. That's absolute hell on wheels (wings, actually) with no way to avoid it.
I believe Karamazov has a free Inquisitorial Mandate, doesn't he?
That's the most interesting aspect, I believe.
If you play a build/style that can take advantage of that piece of wargear, then I think that's a little more profitable. I think if you had some allied charging GK Terminators, and/or or a murder of Death Cult Assassins, that wargear will provide some solid return on Karamazov's cost.
I tried to use the Inq Mandate in a WH army, and the math isn't particularly impressive.
It really seems to work on "good" attacks, such as what you get from GK Termies & assasins.
That's the difference between throwing a lot of extra useless dice, and actually killing several more enemy models. And you don't necessarily need Karamazov to get a Mandate.
It's a fun piece of wargear, but it just doesn't compare to what you get when you sucker-punch enemy squads after Seraphim have done their jump-back trick. The free charge they get is your +1 bonus, and far more mobile, because the mandate can't move.
Sisters Repentia: Wow what beautiful models! Wow what terrible rules! -stjohn70
He is a superb model but I have only used him only once for the almost two years that I have him. He was running with a bunch of Penitent Engines and did OK, but I was rather careful with him, hiding him till the second half of the game when he was in range of MMelta.
Check my other two threads: Army List and Karamazov Manual
If you need an =][= Lord for something, he usually costs you around 150pts for the common retinue. Karamazov costs a bit more, is very fluffy but might not be as good as other choices mentioned by Red, however, he makes for a good, “flashy” target on the table. That can sometimes be useful: Jeee – do I shoot 6 crazy Penitent Engines or the Walking dude… I would give him a try if you already have the model.
Ya.. that's the tough choice there... he's fluffy and epic, so when he kills stuff it will make people sweat and is great for conversation... and he's probably the only monsterous creature in the imperium. But the sacrifice to faith.... >.< that's another thing that concerned me. The penitent engine combo sounds way fun though, but I'm not sure about their effectiveness when compared to things like seraphim... Penitents are just more fluffy... and sense I already have a ton of assualt marines.. I really should try something different (and more fun to model...)
I kind just started witch hunter tho, to be honest. Thought they would work well with my Space Marines.. but the more I look at the models and the condex the more I want them to be another stand alone army >.>
I'll just play test him in a few games with my dred and see what happens!
The model looks cool so I might end up getting him anyway XD
But a shooty inquisitor squad sounds fun too... stuffed in a chimera... lots of plasma.... and the generic inquisitors are so fluffy... but so is Karamazov...
But having ludicrous amounts of faith and faith abusing units sounds way fun too, and offers a differeent flavor to the game then my vannila marines...
THE OPTIONS ARE KILLING ME!!!!!!!!
Thanks for the advice.
My only real problem with Karamazov...is that he is (true to GW habit) named annoyingly obviously!! Seriously, not just Karamazov.... FYODOR KARAMAZOV. GW has enough creativity to make up an entire universe of fluff...but they have to steal names from pre-existing literature? Not to mention, it's annoying that "the Grand Inquisitor" referenced in Brothers Karamazov is a creation of Ivan's, so perhaps Ivan Karamazov would have at least been a nice "tip of the hat" to Dostoevsky, but FYODOR?! the SENSUALIST?! Who has no cares for religion or morality or anything that an inquisitor would care aqbout?!?! C'mooooon GW. Lame.
OH but this is about rules?!Those old things?
All the good stuff's been said, particularly the point about his cost in relation to two other canonesses...
De gustibus non est disputandum.
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