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I'm thinking of picking up a box of Bloodclaws and Grey Hunters... but, I suck at painting flesh. How many of the heads in the box sets are helmets? Are there enough helmets so that I can configure all 10 Marines to have a helmet on?
Secondly, Does the Grey Hunter box set come with a lot of Bolt pistol/CCW sprues? Since in the Codex, you can replace their Bolt Pistol and CCW with a Bolter, I'm assuming they'll include at least 10 Bolters and some CCWs, correct?
And I'm assuming that all the models and bits in these box sets are all plastic. Is that correct as well?
Thanks for any help.
Can't help you here.Secondly, Does the Grey Hunter box set come with a lot of Bolt pistol/CCW sprues? Since in the Codex, you can replace their Bolt Pistol and CCW with a Bolter, I'm assuming they'll include at least 10 Bolters and some CCWs, correct?Yes, that's correct. If you're curious about the contents of any box, head to the Games Workshop site and take a peek on the online store. I'm pretty sure they show everything that's included in all of their boxed sets.And I'm assuming that all the models and bits in these box sets are all plastic. Is that correct as well?
Thanks for any help.
Hmm... I couldn't find a picture of the sprues in either box set on the US, UK, or Canadian stores. Unless it's in some weird section, I could be missing it. Or I could be an idiot, but I'm pretty sure they don't show the sprues for the Bloodclaws and Grey Hunters.
But thanks for the help.
I don't think the blood claws can put helmets on everyone. Not exactly sure. My friend has a lot of bare heads in his squads.
Don't worry about painting flesh. A single head will do no harm, and you could say they are frostbitten if you mess up, or cover them with blood.
Also, you will never get decent at it unless you try. Trust me, it won't look that bad from where you opponent is standing, and you will get better.
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The Grey Hunter box does not come with pistols and CCWs. My advice is to always buy blood claws, even you you are making them into grey hunters. It is far easier and cheaper to come up with the bolters necessary than the arms and chainswords.
Basically the box sets are exactly like the vanilla marine boxes, but with the space wolf extra sprue which contains:
- 5x helmet-less heads
- 1x meltagun
- 1x power fist
- 1x power weapon
- 5x wolf front torsos
- 1x wolf Boltgun
- 1x wolf back torso
- 1x wolf Backpack
- 1x wolf Shoulderpad
- various wolf bits
Other than these items buying the grey hunters box is the same as buying 10x vanilla boltgun toting marines and buying the blood claws box is the same as buying 10x vanilla assault marines sans jump packs.
You can see all the sprues here: Bit Kingdom - Space Wolves
Despite this I agree with LittleBlueMan (as usual.) I would definitely use some bare heads in your wolves. Just paint them with "dwarf flesh" and don't worry so much about trying to paint the eyebrows and teeth and such. From more than 12" they will look better that way. Think about standing fifty feet away from someone. You can't see the color of their eyes or their eyebrows. From that distance it's just a blur of skintone. Look at my avatar; it's just straight dwarf flesh with no detail painted on. I didn't even bother with a highlight and it looks just like it should from a scale standpoint. In my opinion most people's bare heads look like drag queens, even when they are painted well.
Lastly there is no rule saying how many bare heads you have to have. My preference is to have my Grey Hunters all with helmets and my Blood Claws all with bare heads. This allows me and my opponent to quickly tell the squads apart and I like to say that my claws have to "earn" their helmets.
Just to reinforce the point: Never buy the Grey Hunter box, always buy the Blood Claw box for both troop types.
Well, there's other reasons than I suck at it. I totally understand that trying is the only way to get better, but to me it doesn't make any sense for any Marines to not wear helmets.
It just seems that with so much chaos and warfare going on all over, everyone would wear some type of helmet or head protection.
It's just my preference. I've made up a Wolves list however, and Scouts are a part of it, and they'll be an even bigger part when it expands. I'll have to paint flesh then.
But as for my Tactical Marines, I'd rather they have helmets.
It's just a stupid preference thing I guess.
And thanks for the heads up, John. Unfortunately I don't have any spare Bolters (I don't have that many Marines yet) so I think I'll be buying a box of Bloodclaws and a box of Grey Hunters still. I have quite a few Bolt Pistols and Chainswords left over though... at one point in my 40k career, I went beserk with assault squads. But I'm not about to repaint them or use them in this SW army for anything.
Well, my point is that the arms that come with the Grey Hunters are meant to hold a single bolter. You will need whole arms to replace theirs for them to look good with the bolters and chainswords.
Also the reason they don't wear helmets is that they are just a bit off their rockers. Think of them more as crazed vikings and less as trained soldiers.
I totally understand though. You won't find my vehicles dripping with wolf pelts. I know that they probably should have them, but I just prefer them clean. As always, go with what feels right. That rule trumps all.
I didn't even catch that in my Codex. I thought it just said "replace close BP and CCW with Bolter". I didn't catch that it was "replace Bolt Pistol with Bolter." And I thought True Grit worked by the Marine using his Bolter like a club, and swinging it (and only it) when in CC. I didn't realize True Grit implied that they had a CCW as well, haha. I thought the Bolter was resposible for both attacks.
Well in that case, I still don't have any spare Bolters, and only a few spare Chainswords. I'm not too worried about the arms thing though... I can always attach the Chainsword to their back, almost as if it was sheathed. I'm just worried that I won't have enough Chainswords if I buy the boxes I want.
So what should I do to be able to get Bolters in one hand, and Chainswords in another? If I understood correctly, the Blood Claws are just like Assault Marines, so I won't get any actual Bolters.
I've NEVER bought a box of Tactical Marines. All Tactical Marines I have came from two Macragge sets and a set of starter paints. They're crappy models, but they can still fire their Bolters, and that's what counts. So I have no spare ones.
So how should I get my hands on the appropriate arms/Bolters?
Last edited by gywo copta; February 28th, 2008 at 05:48.
First things first, you won't need a massive amount of them. For the typical eight man squad you'll only need an extra three. Your powerfist / power weapon troops will want to carry a pistol for the extra attacks when you charge and you'll probably have a special weapon in the squad. You'll get one on each of the space wolf special sprues, which means that you'll only need three more for the "standard" eight marine pack. Obviously you'll need a few more or less depending on the squad size and options you decide upon.
Marine players will typically have bolters left over in spades, so if you know someone else who plays or even ask around at your local shop it should be very easy to pick up the handful you will need. I would venture that you might even be able to find someone here on the boards to mail you some as they are very small and can be mailed in a standard envelope. I would offer to do so myself, but I just used my last twelve spare bolters on a land raider conversion.
If you are not into the begging and bartering there are several sites out there that sell bits, and you should be able to pick up bolters dirt cheap that way. I would imagine you'll wind up paying more for the shipping than for the bolters themselves. Here is a link to the Bolters that Battlewagon sells: SM Bolters
Lastly, you don't technically have to model your grey hunters with chainswords. If they are carrying a bolter in the way that a standard marine carries one, then the fact that they have a close combat weapon is implied. You'll be good, even under WYSIWYG circumstances. That said, they will look better if you do model them with two weapons.
Look for online BITZ parts.
Then try E-Bay. These are great sources.
Other than that, just build your army up and you will begin to accumulate the necessary bits. I have about 4-5 random Chaos and SM chainswords that I have no idea of where they came from.
Lastly, Space Wolves largely rely upon their sense of smell in battle. This, and their hearing, which they also use, are quite necessary for the pack to work together.
With their helmets on, they have less senses and less scent abilities. If you read the Space Wolf book (great reads), they have a lot of Blood Claws purposely running around without their helmets on, putting them on only for enemy gas and plague attacks, as well as for boarding actions.
Hope I helped.
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