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I always wanted to play Warhammer 40K, but as a kid I just did not have that kind of money. Now, I finally do, but found it difficult to find an army that appealed to me. Until I stumbled across the Sisters of Battle! While not a `perfect' fit for my dream force, a bunch of Zealots with a penchant for flamers is not far from it. However, it seems they do not get much love. I know people who use every army except Inquisition forces, the local store (in a major city) does not stock the Codex nor any of the miniatures, they are also sorely in need of these being updated. It has been suggested I should wait until a new codex, and possibly cheaper miniatures, comes out, or try a different army for now and, if the Sisters make a come back, reconsider them then. What do current Witch Hunters players think? Is it worth coming in this late? Should I wait and see? Or, should I just put them aside and consider one of the other armies? I understand there is no simple answer to this situation, but I would like to see what you guys think.
I think the solution is fairly easy.
If you think youll enjoy playing an army with your buddies than get it. You wont be able to field a painted tournament list sooner than 4-6 weeks if you really push yourself.
I love the inquisition looks, the models are I think one of the best of the whole 40k range and fluff is very nice also.
If youre really concerned on playing and winning Id suggest orks, but I hope that they will be fixed soon. Myself, however, I play for fun and I love the army I am collecting.
Sisters are fairly competitive with their mechanized lists, my local store has quite a number of really good players, and I do have a fairly good win/lose/draw ratio
So as I already stated, its a hobby, a fun pass time, if you think you like the model looks, you think youll like painting them, go ahead and play them. THe worst thing that can happen is that you will have to buy couple new units when the inquisition codex will come out, but than Id view it as a good thing giving me more models to paint and convert.
As for the store, I found that ccgarmoury.com and chaosorc do have nice ranges to buy from with a significant discount.
Welcome to LO and the hobby.
WH will probably never get a new codex, and are nearly guaranteed not to get one for 2 years. There also is no reason to believe that the WH models will be released in plastic.
(Which would cheapen the model cost).
The WH army is a little high on the learning curve, (meaning a little difficult to learn), and a little low on the competitive side (meaning a little difficult to win).
As to cost, it is on the high side.
However, if you get a good stripper (orange citrus stripper is the best I've used, seconded by "simple green"*), you can get your absolute best deals on e-bay if you are patient. I suggest you first search some closed auctions to find out what kinds of prices you can expect. Then set up some auto-searches & auto-notifications to ferret out the deals for you. Lots of the time, you can get models for half-retail.
When I was Hard-up, I used greenstuff to convert a bolter to a meltagun, and I think you could also do this to crate a heavy bolter, but that's tougher, and HB is not the most frequent piece that WH players use, so don't worry about HBs in the beginning.
("Specials" can be very costly).
If you buy used squads, or even new boxed squads, flamers will accumulate,
because most WH squads can take two.
Seraphim will set you back. You will want to play play between 8 and 16 of them (few players use more than 16). Try to get them used at a great price with terrible paint.
You don't have to buy Cannoness models if you don't want to. There's several "superior" models that can be easily converted. Even the Repentia Mistress is not a bad conversion, and she's 8 bucks less than a Cannoness.
As to saving money on Vehicles:
I would suggest you consider this. The Exorcist is 50 dollars, and I don't even like the model.
A Chaos Space Marine Rhino comes with a missile pod that is 1) suitable for the Exorcist launcher and is 2) removeable, since you can mount it on a turret-piece. THe CSM Rhino will not have the giant fleur-de-lis symbols and a few other WH icons, but decals, hand-made designs, and paint-scheme can all make your CSM Rhino look right at home in your WH army.
Another suggestion is to realize that the Immolator is nothing more than a WH Rhino + the Immolatpr Turret weapons sprue for 10 dollars more. The Immolator turret doesn't need to be glued on, so you can still use it as a Rhino.
There's lots of "Bare" Rhinos out on ebay, of course, and your first two vehicles can be Rhinos from other people's armies (preferably with WH designs, or preferably including the CSM missile pod). Once you've accumulated two of the CSM missile Pods, then you can convert most Rhinos to an Exorcist with very little effort.
The Exorcist is an important gamepiece, but you certainly don't have to drop a hundred dollars to get two on the table. Heck, you could make your own missile launcher from scratch if you wanted to. It's not like you're sculpting the Venus-demilo.
*- Be advised that these strippers can and will eat plastic.
Nearly all WH models are metal, but the vehicles are not.
If you want to strip paint off plastic, you have to test it first.
Sisters Repentia: Wow what beautiful models! Wow what terrible rules! -stjohn70
Thanks for the replies. It looks like ordering from the US might be well-worth investigating too. It seems even the RRP there is half what they charge here. Even after shipping I am making a hell of a saving. I definitely want to play a force of Sisters, so I guess my first step will be to decide on my starting force and order it. It is a bit of a shame those sites do not have the full selection though, so I may have to fill out the gaps at my local store.
CCGarmoury.com will order things they dont have for you. It will take a bit longer to ship, but you can get almost anything from them except I believe forge world and special order.
Either send them an e-mail or there is a live chat function.
Im quite happy with it so far.
Thanks for mentioning that; I would not have known otherwise. They definitely seem like the best option for me. I shall just need to get in while the US dollar is still weak and I can make some real killer savings EDIT: Just an afterthought. Do Witch Hunter players need to convert their Rhinos? I have never seen a `Witch Hunter' Rhino, only a Space Marine one. Does it come with the Fleur de Lise and other insignia in the pack, or is that something everyone makes up themselves?
Last edited by Elric of Grans; April 13th, 2008 at 04:49.
An immolator kit will supply you with around 3-4 rhino conversions, depending on how scarecely you want to use the insignias. I also use couple of the sisters with storm bolters from sister squads on the rhinos to just add a bit of flavour.
Also I convert immolators into exorcist, and it can be a rhino if I take the turret off.
That makes sense, I had not thought of that possibility. Thanks for the advice. I shall have to make sure I include an Immolator in my first order!
Another converting option to spice up your sister models is here:
Sisters of Battle Icons
You get two of everything in the picture for 5GBP, a pretty good deal for ForgeWorld. The large Fleur ant the =][= are big enough to work on Rhino doors (not as large as the immolator one, but they work well attached off center with some purity seals or similar hung in a corner.
Not a bad deal for Forgeworld, but I'd really try to avoid any purchases from Forgeworld.
I'd be more inclined to go with WH decals. (You can buy decal paper for inkjet printers, although I've not done it yet).
In addition to e-bay (which is still my #1 recommendation for starting out any army, as you can buy several squads in one shot for half or less of retail), here are good discount sites:
Bit Kingdom - Gamesworkshop Warhammer 40K - Games Workshop Warhammer 40,000 (unfortunately they don't have Inquisition)
It looks like thewarstore bought BATTLEWAGONBITS, (check out the "battlewagonbits" link within thewarstore), and it looks like you can get a smokin deal on a near complete RHino (hatch + Stormbolter not included) here for $15 American:
SM Rhino MK3 APC Tank on Sprue
(I rock sometimes).
And here's that Chaos Rhino (which has the small missile Launcher)
for $20 American Dollars:
Bit Kingdom - Gamesworkshop Warhammer 40K - Games Workshop Warhammer 40,000
This link in Bitkingdom has the Whirlwind sprue for $10 American
(But I actually prefer the CSM Rhino Missile Pod)
Bit Kingdom - Gamesworkshop Warhammer 40K - Games Workshop Warhammer 40,000.
Sisters Repentia: Wow what beautiful models! Wow what terrible rules! -stjohn70