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Are they? Ive looked through the codex and found mixed results with Independant characters as opposed to just characters. Thanks for any responses received.
they are not independant characters
But they are characters in the sense that they can use equipment from the space marine armoury, but they cant leave their squad, and have to take all on your own tests
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No, I'm sorry to say that they are not because they are still only a sargeant even if they are veterans. However, I think what's confusing you is that there are special character that are veteran sargeants. In turn, they are special characters and use whatever special rules they receive, but they are not independent. They must still lead a squad of some sort. I believe that most of the time what kind of squad they lead is either stated or easily inferred. For example, Veteran Scout Sargeant Naaman is a special character, but he leads a scout squad. You get what type of squad he leads because he's a scout sargeant.
Heres exactly hwo it works. You pay for the upgrade, and they become vet sarges, with there increased stats. Vet sarges can take up to 100 pts of wargear, but nothing that has any limitations requiring you to be an independant char (terminator armour, art armour, etc) and nothing that requires you to be a certain class( apocrathy only items, etc) and they cant have termy honours, cusae they already got them. But otherwise your fine, so you oculd give them lightning claws if you wanted.
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vet. sergeants ARE characters. they just aren't as good as independant or special characteres
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Even Sergeants are Characters, as long as they are not troopers, marines, guardians and so on..... they are characters.
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but are they characters in the sense that a Vindicaire could pick them off?
The Vindicare can pick any model of any kind to shoot at, IIRC. Soldier, sarge, that one guy with the flamer, etc.
Where does it say that tac squad sarges are characters?
Either my codex is outdated and this has been corrected in e.g. CA, or tac squad sarges are in fact not characters, and e.g. the respective special rules in assault do not apply.
Everyone seems to assume that tac squad sarges are characters, but i really don't find the relevant rules which declare them to be...
Actually, every model is a character but it's just that most of them are not a special character. Most special characters are independent, but some are just special and not independent.