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The Two Missing Space Marine Chapters...

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#1 ·
Has there been any mention of the "deleted" Space Marine Chapters from the First Founding? Has there been any mention at all about them? Were they eradicated or did they just die out during the Horus Heresy? I just wanted to know.
 
#2 ·
no. There is no info on them. And be carefull. Make sure to check if another thread has asked this question, as there have been many on this topic. Your new so you probably didn't know.

Anyway, there is no fluff on them, they were simply left out so that people could think up their own ideas. Also it is said that one was lost due to copyright issues. The Rainbow Warriors were in there (not certainly) but when the guy who created them left, he took his creation with him.

And there ya go.
 
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Originally posted by Dark_Epsilon@Jun 9 2004, 14:39
arent the firehawks one of em (aka legion of the dammed)?
No, they were from the cursed founding (21st).

As Macharius Ravensdark said, there is, quite literally nothing published in Games Workshop fluff about those two legions (remember, they were full legions, not just chapters, so we are talking BIG units here), other than the fact that they were first founding legions, their place in the order of the foundings, and the fact that their records have been expunged and that who the order came from is unknown.

To my knowledge there are only references to 18 legions beeing involved in the Great Crusade, 18 Primarchs, etcetera. This is not just a missing chapter, this is 2 missing Primarchs and their entire legions, wiped from all records it would seem.

Games Workshop likes to do this. They leave loose ends all over the place, and quite intentionally, which does a number of things. First, it gives some idea of the rather "incomplete" nature of knowledge, records, and so forth in the Imperium. Second, it gives people plenty of "hooks" into the official fluff with chapters and armies and races which have no existing fluff, so the player's imagination can run wild. And third, every now and then it gives them something to come back to, so they can come up with something new which fits in with all of the existing fluff (like pulling out the Space Wolf's 13th Company in the Eye of Terror Campaign).

Who knows? It is possible Games Workshop will one day give more information on those two lost legions, though I doubt it.


Edit: I am pretty sure the Rainbow Warriors are not one of the two lost legions. They are not the most well known chapter, but they do seem to get a few mentions here and there. It is very possible that they were going to be one of them before the guy who came up with them left, though. *shrug*
 
#8 ·
Originally posted by justwill@Jun 10 2004, 12:21
Yeah but they already have a female (kinda) space marine chapter with the sisters of battle and as they just re-did their army list I doubt they would make a space marines army so similar. Really good idea though, they might use it in the future.
I think he is talking about in fluff, not real life. In fluff, Adeptus Sororitas are far from Space Marines, and were not even around when the Primarchs lived.
 
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And if you read the fluff, all the genetics work was based on X-X chromasone, so no women space marines unless they have been hit by Chaos, and since there are records for the liegons who were hit by chaos it seems unlikely that these 2 are of that ilk
 
#10 ·
XX is female, incase you didn't know.
 
#11 ·
certainly is. X is the female chromosome, Y is the male.

XX = female
XY = male

things like XXY and so on do occur, they are fairly serious genetic defects and cause all sorts of problems for the unlucky people affected. and because the Y chromosome only ever occurs once in a person and therefore cant be combined with another one (like X can), all males have almost the same Y chromosome. this in turn means that males as a "subspecies" are very vulnerable to disease that affects the Y chromosome in the same way that monoculture crops are. luckily, its never happenned.

and ive gotten so far off topic that its quickly becoming hilarious.
 
#13 ·
Originally posted by justwill@Jun 11 2004, 13:46
(Replying to LR Series III) oh yeah, the adeptus soroitas were formed to be the bodyguard of that insane High Lord Vandire in the Age of Apostasy. If you read the Liber Sororitas in WD293 you wil know what I'm talking about.
I stopped reading White Dwarf a while ago, but I am very much familiar with the background of the Sororitas (was around when they first became a credible army in 2nd Edition). I am a bit confused, however, as to what you are getting at... :huh:
 
#14 ·
gah..the Rainbow Warriors were not a liegon..people keep asking the same questions over and over again >.<

They were simply a chapter w/ some rather crappy fluff.According to everything I've read on them some Rogue Trader bribed the High Lords with a high-rescource system that he found and got his own marine chapter.Then the Rogue Trader gets murdered,the chapters is left with nothing to do,so they stick them on some backwoods planet to rot.The only thing I've heard about them after that is that the sisters of battle wiped them out...must have been declared heretics or something
 
#16 ·
Originally posted by Edicius@Jun 11 2004, 18:12
gah..the Rainbow Warriors were not a liegon..people keep asking the same questions over and over again >.<

They were simply a chapter w/ some rather crappy fluff.According to everything I've read on them some Rogue Trader bribed the High Lords with a high-rescource system that he found and got his own marine chapter.Then the Rogue Trader gets murdered,the chapters is left with nothing to do,so they stick them on some backwoods planet to rot.The only thing I've heard about them after that is that the sisters of battle wiped them out...must have been declared heretics or something
Do you know where the stuff about all that is? It sounds vaguely familiar, and I remember seeing refernces to them being "dealth with" by the Sisters, but I do not think I ever got my hands on the actual fluff.
 
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#18 ·
gah..the Rainbow Warriors were not a liegon..people keep asking the same questions over and over again >.<

They were simply a chapter w/ some rather crappy fluff.According to everything I've read on them some Rogue Trader bribed the High Lords with a high-rescource system that he found and got his own marine chapter.Then the Rogue Trader gets murdered,the chapters is left with nothing to do,so they stick them on some backwoods planet to rot.The only thing I've heard about them after that is that the sisters of battle wiped them out...must have been declared heretics or something
1)The Rainbow Warriors were 1275 in strength when re-found by the Emperor. So they were larger than a chapter so they were kind of a legion.

2) The fluff was quite through

3)The Rogue trader wanted the Space Marines, yes, but technicly they just escorted him to get the forgotten technology back and he was subject the the Rainbow Warrior commander, if you read it he came back because his men were slaughtered by some unknown foe to not only bribe the HLoT(High Lords of Terra) to get money, stuff, etc. There was no resource system there unless I am mistaken.

4)At the time the chapter escorted the Rogue trader they were only 500, not even a chapter.

5)The Rogue trader is not murdered, he decides to take the glory after the RW(Rainbow Warriors) defeat and drive Orks off three worlds(or systems, I forgot, sorry) and back to their main posts, and he and his men are slaughtered by an Ork ambush.

6) The HLoT were so pleased with the chapters preformance they gave them a home world, and 3 systems on the edge of space. Later they are surrounded by the warp and are trapped and are attacked by Eldar pirates and Chaos, as well as having internal rebellions.

7)They are still around.

If I am wrong or my source is wrong, please let me know, but that's what I found, the link is here:

http://www.inisfail.com/40k3/rainbow-warriors.html
 
#19 ·
yeah that's the same place i got some of my info,you just went into a lot more detail then i did,but my points still stand..they were not one of the first founding chapters,and they were offed by the sisters,this fluff just doesn't go that far..i can't remember were i got the fluff that happens after what this site tells us,I'll try to find it again.As far as them giving them thier own planet,you notice it's way in the middle of warp-storm-nowhere,so i think it was more of a "ok we don't need you now go protect the backwoods" thing then a reward
 
#21 ·
Just asking, since I have no clue what you guys are talking about (lack of SM knowledge), but WHY IN HELL WOULD THEY CALL A LEGION THE "RAINBOW WARRIORS?!?!?"

Why?!?!?
 
#24 ·
The Rainbow Marines was the third legion founded, after the Dark Angels and the Sons Of Horus. Their primarch, George Mercury, was found on the peaceful agri world Village. The people of Village were a peaceful people, the Village population lived in a society where music and dancing was the most important thing in life. When the Emperor encountered George Mercury in the Village, he had risen to become the Gaylord Of Village and the ultimate dancing queen. At first he would not join with the Emperor, but after the Emperor bested him in a dancing contest he swore fealty to him.

The Rainbow marines have three successor chapters:
The Strawberry Marines, The Purple Scarfs and the Lotioners.

That's the real fluff about them, Right Fenix?
 
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