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    Simple question about the price of Holocaust. When I went to figure out the price of my Brother-Captain and Retinue, I found myself with this question. As read the codex states "Grey Knight Terminators may purchase the Holocaust Psychic power from the Daemonhunter's psychic powers list at +20 points per unit." I had always been under the assumption that a single terminator was refered to as a model, and the 2 - 9 of them was a complete unit. If I understand correctly, Holocaust is 20 points for the entire squad regardless of how many Terminators it contains?

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    That is correct. You buy Holocaust for the unit as a whole, not per model. But since you only get one shot with it per turn, regardless of the number of models in the squad, it isn&#39;t a loophole or anything

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    Now if it is a retinue for the hero does it get 2 shots? One fore the Hero and one for the unit, or is it still just one?
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    I&#39;m not 100%, but I think that if you buy it for the unit, and also for the hero (ie, double the points cost), you get two shots.

    But you&#39;re also more vulnerable: if the hero is killed before the unit (snipers, assault with characters, etc), you&#39;ve lost BOTH holocausts, as the hero is the power&#39;s focus.

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    Wait, why can&#39;t they all use Holocaust? I always thought that it was 20 points for each model, but I also thought they could all use it. What would be the point in buying it if they couldn&#39;t all use it?

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    What would be the point in buying it if they couldn&#39;t all use it?
    Ordnance template, my friend. One blast will *own* unarmored troops. Two blasts will finish off any survivors. if it were possible to give it to an entire unit, it would not only would cost you 100+ points, but be rather cheesy in assault.

    GK are all psykers, but not strong psykers. They need to focus their powers on something (their justicar/hero/whatever) for them to manifest. So you buy Holocaust for the entire unit, and they all combine their minds to make one attack. GK Heroes are psykers by themselves, so can do another attack if you buy the power for them. But the Hero is still required to channel the squad&#39;s powers.

    DH Codex, page 20 under "PSYKERS" and page 12 under "HOLOCAUST".

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    Hmm, ok, I see how that works. It looks to me though that it would mean that if you had a squad of 5 GK Terminators, the Brother Captain could use Holocaust. Then each individual Terminator could channel his energy through the Captain allowing him to fire again. So it seems like you could shoot of 5 separate Holocausts from the Captain. Is that correct? Of course your perils of the warp is a lot bigger risk when you&#39;re having to make 5 tests and if you pass one of them everyone is getting the smack down on them.

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    each individual Terminator could channel his energy through the Captain allowing him to fire again. So it seems like you could shoot of 5 separate Holocausts from the Captain.
    Noooo&#33;&#33; The squad gets ONE shot&#33; If you bought it for the squad, and again for the Hero, you&#39;d get to shoot once for the hero, and once for the squad. When I said that the unit channels their psyker power into the Hero, I meant they do it as a whole, not one at a time&#33;

    No way around it, you can&#39;t get that many shots off no matter what. Sorry.

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    Oh ok, just covering all my bases to make sure I get it. I suppsose that makes sense that you wouldn&#39;t have to pay 80 more points for 1 more shot too. The the maximum number of holocaust shots a terminator squad could get would be 2, and would cost 40 points to do so.

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    Maximum number of shots for a Termie squad who buys Holocaust is *1*

    A GK Hero who also buys the power can get *1* shot as well.

    If you combine the two, you can get *2* shots.

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