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With the new Marines codex out, I've heard that the Grey Knights seem obsolete and not worth their points anymore. Many GK players have gone to SM till GK gets an update. Anyone here think GK aren't worth playing with the new SM out as an alternative?
GK's aren't obsolete at all... They still have all the advantages and equipment that makes them cool and at least mostly worth their price tag. It's just that they seem somewhat less impressive among the MEQ options now that the Marines have all their fancy toys.
The GK's certainly need an update, if only to give them some wargear options that are actually useful more than one time out of twenty. But since that's a long way off yet, we'll just have to be happy with the undeniably sweet gear our troops get now.
They most certainly need an update and perhaps even a rewrite in some area's. This thread should be in the Daemonhunters section however, not witchhunters!
I want a new Inquisition 'Dex bad, but all we really need is a better FAQ and a Codex addendum that encorporates some of the new SM and 5th Ed changes for us to be effective.
For example a simple: The Grandmaster is considered an "Eternal Warrior" like the new SM Characters ,that Grey Knight Terminators DO have True Grit and that we can take a Venerable Dread for an extra 20pts etc. We have a competitive army, but a few things need clarification before we can win many Tourneys.
GW can spend it's sweet time perfecting a new 'Dex as long as it gives is reasonable updates.
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I think the major advantage that the new Marines have over us is their points cost.
All we need are a few more FA choices, a points reduction to somewhere inline with other recently released codexes and a few more tweaks.
I still wub my GKs.
It's worth a krak!
And how nice would it be to have plastic grey knights and grey knight terminators? Mm... (plastic sisters too!) I think a cool thing to give GKs would be a free auspex for the justicar; it makes them more effective against not only daemons, but other armies too. But the new dex is a long way off, if ever (there are some people saying they are phasing out GKs; I sure hope not!), so I guess its a little early to make a codex wishlist. Meh, what the hell. It never hurts to dream.
Last edited by Duke111; October 4th, 2008 at 00:16.
While our codex is still older then the marines, I'm just wating for the question of whether or not our similar equipment gets the same changes as the marines.
The way I look at it heres are some major differences of SM to GK for ME
1.Marines have tranports, jump packs, drop pods, and teleporting to get around
2.Marines have special equpiment
3. Dependant on the Leader they can get other nifty bonuses
4. They do not lack anti-tank
5. Very flexible
Now the Grey Knights
1. In 5th edition we have got a round about way to get cheaper transports for them(IST+rhino)
2. In 5th edition we now have chances to kill special modesl with in squads. This is quite do able due to mass fire of stormbolters. Gk's now have a chance to get past ablative wounds to kill special gunners or a PW/PF in a squad. When those have been elminated in a squad the odds of a GK squad improve drastically
3. Assaulting always in the rear of a vehicle. Another new plus for us. Even tho marines get frags to do the same its one attack per model. We get our full amount, atleast doubling our chances of hurting vehicles(i.e assult a russ in the front and you can now kill it)
4. We are still the best normal troops by far,(expensive and outnumberd tho -_-)
i could keep going but to keep this post short I thought that I'd name some major ones of the top of my head
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I really want that Redeemer and the storm shield upgrade then My terminator squad will look awesome on paper riding a Redeemer ouch I can almost hear my opponent cry "stop, I can't take this anymore"
I think we have pretty good things, incinerators are great (mech) and Holocaust is too.
We have mystics (Against DS models)
As far as i'm concerned mostly all of the mentioned 5th edition bonuses, lead to our Gk perishing afterwards...
I would like to see our troops fixed, our storm troopers are hard to buff their Ld.
I'm certain we'll see plastic storm troopers/ vlakery before we see anything shiny in our army.
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