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Just a quick question, what did the emperors children speciallise in before the heresy. My marines are painted like emperors children but i want them to play like them. What did they have a lot of in their armies? This will help me a lot making it fluffy as possible as i don't know much about the fluff (still on horus rising).
hallo, nice idea for marines!
well it depends, whose your Commander?
Lord Commander Eidolon had an excellent combat record of sieges, holding actions and rapid assaults.
but an even cooler, in my opinion, character would have to be Captain Saul Tarvitz. it is said that he was a 'true child of the emperor', he remained loyal even in the face of his impending death. his death came on Isstvan III, when Horus ordered the deaths of him and any of the other loyalist marines of the Emperor's Children and Lunar Wolves chapters.
what is truely remarkable about him, is that he turned the 'planned slaughter' of Isstvan III into a fully fledged battle. it is said that his management and tactical perfectness of his forces in this great and last battle 'confounded the great Primarchs themselves'.
i'd say tool your both your HQs up for different roles, then make different parts of your mimic them, because in Lexicanum it states that each Company followed their Captains closely.
and i believe two Commanders would be very fluffy, although impractical. make one a Jump-packer and then have, say, an Assault Squad or two follow him. make the other a fire support HQ with Tactical Squads and Devastator Squads, tanks and dreadnoughts are perfectly fluffy, but put a Techpriest between them.
as far as i can tell, they were very practical, but rarely used Chaplains or Librarians.
also, i found this on Lexicanum:
"ground assaults were to be accompanied with both heavy weapon and air cover; the Emperor's Children looked to Land Speeders for the latter purpose"
so a Squadron or two of Land Speeders would be in order.
hope all that helps! but if you ever need anymore knowledge on fluff, just go to:
Main Page - Lexicanum
I know the pre-Heresy need of armies... I had it and tried to do a Death Guard... but I stopped and haven't bothered since...
I know the one thing to help you are the Logo Sheets... Since there are no Logo transfer sheets BoLS has the courtesy of making one set...
Good lucck and I will be watching this space to see the progress of your army...
Thanks to all the people showing faith in me
I sometimes feel that everyone will leave me and they will be on their own...
Fabius Bile was the Chief Apothecary to Fulgrim. it is said that when the Legion turned to Slaanesh, fulgrim gave the go-ahead to Fabius to begin experiments into perfecting the already super-human warriors of the Emperor's Children.
he was the creater of the clone of Horus.
some of his diabolical creations are demi-gods amongst the Chaos Space Marines, whilst most, more often than not, turn out to be overly sadistical murderers.
he worships science, and believes he has unlocked the secrets of how to create Primarchs and Space Marines.
lucius the eternal - basically a freakin' nut with a blade, give him a Master Crafted Relic Blade, and he was very handsome... how well can you paint? i'll post an image of me for you to copy.
well, the things i'm gonna tell you now i know from the horus heresy books (great stuff^^^)
it is said that Lucius lead a squad of assault marines but there was never a word about jump packs, so i think when you field lucius you can select vanguard veterans in rhino's and some tactical squads,
for Saul Tarvitz, he is a strategist, you can take many Tactical squads with both heavy and special weapon butt less transports then in Lucius version, some devastator squads
can be in it to.
for Eidolon, he is a master of siege, fill up you Devastator squads and Sternguard veterans, no transports,
some important notes:
DO NOT USE VINDICATORS! why? these where invented by Roboute guiliman in the later stages of the Horus Heresy, and cause you are making a Pre-heresy list the vindicator wasn't even invinted,
DO NOT USE RAZORBACKS! razorbacks are only 4000 years in duty so no pre-heresy
Emperor's children have some fine dreadnoughts, take a venerable dreadnought in each list, there is one wich has fought with Tarvitz during the Istvaan siege but i forgot the name though... sorry,
Emperor's children are famed for their perfectionism, always take the chapter master profile
Fulgrim had an honour guard called the "Phoenix Guard" (or similar, something with a Phoenix) take an honour guard and take relic blades, (they wield Halberds, i think Relic Blades copy them most), and DO NOT forget the chapter banner,
hope this helps a bit, when you have more questions then just ask me, i can check the books again if you want (searching for an excuse to read them again^^ )
The trouble with pre-heresy armies is that they didn't have "Codex" organisation which is what the army lists in the codex are based on. The impression I get from reading the Horus Heresy books is that they pretty much just took whole companies of Marines everywhere. But perhaps that's just me being a cynic.
I'd suggest that you make use of such things as Orbital Bombardment and Land Speeders. Predators would fit well too. Overall, a balanced approach to army composition with roughly equal numbers of shooting, combat and vehicle units would best reflect the Emperor's Children's approach to warfare. I'd say they'd have exactly enough of everything in exactly the right place. The "balanced" army is the closest 40k analogy to that, I think.
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