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Simply put, do you use Storm troopers in your army?
Or do you always run them as grenadiers now that troops choices are so important in 5th edition?
Do you prefer to simply use hardened vets for similar roles, feeling that they are both cheaper and more effective at specific tasks?
Or are you like me, and use a good mix of storm troopers, grenadiers AND vets in your army?
If you do run them (or would like to in some future army), how do you outfit them? Plasma and a power sword? Meltas? Flamers? Grenade Launchers? Do you deepstrike or infiltrate them? Run them in a chimera?
What kind of tactical roles do you try and assign to this unit choice?
Do you feel they are effective enough for their price? If so, why? If not, why?
Is there any fluff you feel justifies your armies use of these elite soldiers? (For instance, my Skitarii have access to a rogue trader's private army as auxiliary units).
Anything and everything remotely relevant is wanted!
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I've never used them, but that was because they were not all that great in 4th edition. And when I say that, I mean I'd rather have more men than and armor save that is only 1 better in the troops slot. In the Elites slot, I prefer Vets. Specifically drop troop suicide vets.
That being said, I'm starting to think that a non-suicide elite might be useful. Meltas and a power sword maybe. Good against Orks, 'crons, etc...
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Ahh, the humble Storm Trooper. Our boys are quite unlike their Star Wars counterparts, who, frankly, couldn't hit the broad side of a barn with a FULLY AUTOMATIC weapon.
I run mine as Grenadiers, to free up the elites slots for veteran squads, who can take a heavier and larger weapons payload. That said, giving a Grenadier squad a Chimera will provide them with tha ability to zoom up and take objectives, put out some decent heavy weapons fire, and STILL count as a scoring unit with a 4+ save and the ability to actually hit the things that they shoot at.
I run a box of Cadian Kasrkin Stormies (Grenadiers) because I just love the models, so i use a flamer and grenade launcher combo (which I detest because I believe that a squad can only have one purpose, and 2 different special weapons just ruins that.) along with the power sword armed sergeant.
Just my two cents worth!
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I utterly abhor stormtroopers as stormtroopers nowerdays. I do however take them as grenadiers as much as possible, as they score.
Best equipped: 6x man with 2 Plasma cheese.
It can hit the side of a barn door, has 4+ save for overheats, and plasma guns are nice for killing marines and feel no pain bad boys.
I also take them as allied troop choices from the grey knights armoury, with a rhino if I want them transported. (Still score, and you don't need a doctrine.)
I'm appreciating the GL more and more, but the melta really has a (2nd after plasma) place in my heart.
I don't give them power weapons - i'm too much of a scrooge. I am really exited by the "rumoured" plastic stormies coming out - Oh yes, maybe we'll have a assault version. However there are concerns if we'll need ten per squad, so i'd have to scrounge 8 classic stormies with hellguns, and expand my kaskrins too, or just stop taking so many squads.
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I only use them as grenadiers, fielded inside chimeras, as a better alternative to iron fist squads. The storm troopers are more versatile, better shots, more resilient, have two special guns instead of one, can include a power weapon, and you don't have to take a platoon for each storm trooper squad, like you have to with iron fist squads.
Since it's only slightly more expensive, I'm not sure why people use iron fist squads. Grenadiers are better in virtually every way, and don't cost that much more.
I never use storm troopers as elites though, for that the hardened veterans are a lot better. They can infiltrate/deep strike like the storm troopers, their stats are the same (besides the armor), they can have three special guns, and they can also have a powerfist as well.
9-10 veterans with 3 flamers and a power fist is a great outflanking unit that doesn't cost an arm and a leg. Storm troopers just aren't as good at that.
Hardened Veterans are also better as 'suicide squads', with 5 members and 3 melta/plasma guns, but with 5th edition rules and kill points, this isn't really a good idea anymore.
Anyway, I just use stormtroopers as upgraded iron fist squads, and I like giving them 2 plasma guns, although 2 flamers can also work well. They make a good versatile unit that can claim objectives or put pressure on the enemy. They're not an overwhelming force, just a well balanced one.
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I like to use them as Grenadiers for the most part. My gunline has two squads for extra punch, but I'm considering just buying up more troops for less points instead. I usually just give them two plasma guns. I figure if I wanted to use them to pop tanks, I'd get a better deal just by using Vets for that.
Glorious moment time... I had a squad of ten force a 30 strong squad of Ork boyz into retreating away from the objective that my stormies were holding. My opponent was so angry that when they reconsolidated into a nearby squad, he charged the remaining mass into the objective again, but those brave sons of the Imperium inflicted high casualties, though not enough to get them to fall back. Finally when the assault came, they managed to take the boys to about 1/4 strength before dying to a man, denying the objective to the loathesome greenskins (this was back in 4th before the whole "scoring to the last man" deal). Posthumus Honorifica Imperialis' all around.
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i personnly adore grenedeirs(spelling mistake) with their fast moving assualt weapon loadouts they are a cool angle for guard armies.
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Well, I sorta use them like grenadiers.
I use the SM Scout models because they are cheaper and have the bits I want. And they look a lot cooler IMO.
I use the WH troop selection and run them as Arbites with shotguns.
They are scoring and have a little more shootyness for trying to clear out objectives.
And when I want to run my WH Inq Lord and an assassin, they just turn into his Retinue.
They lose their scoring ability, but at least I can use them the same way to clear and contest.
Since my main use of stormies is to take abandoned objectives, I have begun taking Grenadiers and Drop Troops doctrines just to make my one squad scoring. I equip them with two grenade launchers, nothing else. I like the GLs for having max range when they come in and I usually keep them moving anyway. Deepstriking means they can often get in a side or rear shot on a vehicle, so the GL is a bit more powerful then it would normally be.
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I use them as Grenadiers and sometimes as a full squad of 10 Stormies to deepstrike, but not so much now in 5th.
I run an all Vehicle IG army so Grenadiers are perfect mounted in a Chimera. I use full squads of 10 with two Plasma Guns, a vet sgt with Power weapon. My Chimeras have Multilaser, Heavy Bolter and Stubber. The Grenadiers are left in the Chimeras until I unload them (usually two squads at a time) and unleash rapid fire hell on an interloaping squad of enemy raiders. Hahahahahhaahahahahh!!!!
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This tactic is now pretty muched nerfed with 5th ed and the inability for me to move and fire all my weapons on my Chimeras...
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