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after turning the heat down, I thought about the possible chapter I would like to play and aside from a custom chapter or one of the codex official, smaller chapters, I am currently reviewing the big three:
-Raven Guard (or successor)
(with Mentors, Sons of Orar and Eagle Warriors being the smaller ones)
Not only do these guys have very nice colours and symbols, they also have very good fluff. Currently, the chapter that appeals to me most are probably the Raven Guard, and I caught a glimpse of a legendary raven sweeping across this forum subsection, so I hope that I caught his interest.
I read through the available fluff, and I especially like the use of Drop Pods throughout the army. Dreadnoughts are lovely, I really like the models and am happy that using 1-2 of these guys is still OK with the Raven Guard. However, I am not that much CC inclined, so I would probably concentrate on Tac Squads with possibly a Termie Squad or two thrown in the mix. I also think that Scouts do most of their work ahead of the force, so that when the main force arrives, they are not that much present on the battlefield - 1-2 squads.
However, I would also like to use mechanized aspects in the force to experience different aspects of the codex. Are Rhinos, Landraiders and some of the tanks a big problem for the Raven Guard? I would expect that when attacking tougher, well fortified targets, they would employ Landraiders and tanks via Thunderhawks and other transports, while at the same time dropping pods onto strategic points to attack two strategic places at the same time while protecting each half of the force by keeping the enemy distracted.
I understand that Salamanders would have little problem with being mobile and tough at the same time - so lots of firepower, including vehicles, would be OK in their book. The same might be true for the Crimson Fists, with their decreased numbers they would probably take whatever protection they could get. Mentors, with their huge battlefield experience would probably take whatever suits the situation, while Aurora chapter would just roll on with transports and tanks in all cases.
I would appreciate your insights into the Raven Guard, and welcome any thoughts on the other armies (Salamanders, Crimson Fists, Mentors) as well.
Last edited by Leafwalker; October 21st, 2008 at 12:21.
from what i know raven guard, while renowned for their assault squads and hit and run tactics are also fully capable of deploying and fighting as "normal" marines would, and are fully trained in all forms of battle, its perfectly fine to deploy a gun line of raven guard although one assault squad thats to do the hit and run could be kept for fluff reason (ie the army distracts while the assault squad hits the primary target fluff wise sort of idea)
salamander's are MY chapter of choice after dark angels, and I'm currently redoing my army for them. however they lose combat tactics rules but gain, Tl flamers meltas and TH. pretty neat. what this give you is an army that become progressively more dangerous as it gets closer.
salamanders don't use much in the way of fast attack but rhinos, razorbacks land raiders are all fine, hell the redeemer is a VERY salamander looking vehicle. just remember to take full advantage of the Melita and flamer rules as well as the Th.
crimson fists are usually small elite armies fro my experience although nothing forces you to do this, its mostly players choices.
if you are not fond of using assault squads then your losing one of the biggest advantages of a raven guard army, so i would suggest salamanders or crimson fists with your dispotisoin...probably salamanders
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What colours do you like best? I tried to start a Salamander army but after the first couple of models I decided the green just wasn't for me, so I went with a Raven Guard successor chapter, relativly simple to paint, not really held down by strict fluff guidelines and quite exciting to get into. Crimson fists and Salamanders are well respected as well, so its just with your personal preference, adding to mind fluff wise Ravenguard do like close combat though, so that might have to be overcome when building an army to your liking, I'm sure you can work around anything with a decent storyline in mind.
The colours I like are blue, green, black, red, with a bit of white thrown in. That's what really struck me on Sons of Orar and Sabre Swords - the little touches of white on the model that make it stand out.
I do not find Salamanders downright appealing, but there's something about them that caught my interest, can't tell. The mentors in my mind strike a fine balance between green and white. I don't like pure-white models, so no White Consuls or White Scars for me, not speaking of the fact that biker army isn't entirely my thing.
The blue-red scheme of Crimson Fists is amazing, and I really like that. But perhaps even more I like the black-white scheme of Raven Guard, which could be adjusted even more to my liking with a successor chapter - I was thinking Shadow Raven or Shadow Talon could do the job for me.
But in the end, I look out for the fluff and story-gameplay as well.
Check out my blog, I'll slowly be building a Shadow Raven force that you might like the look of, I'm not a real great painter/photographer but it could give you some basic idea's.
This may (or may not) end up being a very long post... so if it is, forgive me! I will put my comments below in royal blue, so there won't be huge chunks of quoted material.And one last quote!Originally Posted by kakashiIf you decide on the Raven Guard or a successor chapter of your own making, rest assured there is plenty of Raven Guard support out there. Check out the Sons of Deliverance clan link in my signature; we are a clan here on LO dedicated solely to Raven Guard and her successors, from fluff to tactics to army lists to modeling and everything else you could think of, and we would be honoured to have another brother amongst us.Originally Posted by Leafwalker
I hope this post was in some way beneficial to you, and my apologies if it's a bit.. er.. long!
Victorus aut mortis.
Ah, the legendary raven himself has come to visit this thread. I was hoping your answer would be long if indeed you visited this thread, of which you have done both. Many thanks for that.
I am very pleased to see that Raven Guard are in fact such a versatile army, much as I have thought. That said, I believe you have successfully convinced me that Raven Guard is the chapter where my heart belongs, so I welcome your invitation, ready to join your ranks.
Last edited by Leafwalker; October 21st, 2008 at 22:38.