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I am currently in a dilema and it is a very big one, this dilema is a normal one I expect.
It is I can't decide which army to go for.
There are two armies which I am considering, the first is the Imperial Guard, which I would use a Drop Troop and so very infantry based army, or the Dark Angels, I am going to use this codex but I may make a 'Fallen Chapter' Variation.
I love the Dark Angels cause of their secrecy and mischvious behaviour, they are always keeping stuff to themselves yet they are not afraid to go and kill if you get what I mean. I also love some of the models and I like the way they work. I am able to say this because I do already have an army and I have used it several times. However I wanted to start a brand new one with it's wn background etc.
I also like the Guards men cause they are simply human, they are people like us who are fighting these aliens and genetcally modified humans and that makes them great in my opinion. I am hoping to make an elite drop trooper regiment, they only regiment form their planet and they are gonna be based around the Royal Marine Commandos or the SaS. This means they will have lots of upgrades and stuff. Now I know this sounds all good to me but what worries me is this won't be an effective army, I have heard the Guard rely on numbers and that is not something a truly elite army has, also, cause of my age I am a little pushd for money.
Hope some of you guys can help me out on this one!?
NB. This is in the IG threads too
Hi there James.
Normally we don't permit multiple identicle threads. I understand why you did it, but it's not something we generally do
Just a heads up.
Also, I'd blatantly go Space Marines. Space Marines are awesome.
Ok thanks, I will keep that in mind
Also, is there any reasoning behind your 'arguments'?
Cause I know they are awsome but I wanna know if I will enjoy them on the battlefield AND when making them.
Space Marines are the ultimate guardians of humanity - they're the most popular for a reason.
I'm actually a chaos player. and very few armies give me the thrill that I get when I face Space Marines - simply because they're a solid and reliable army.
You'll get a lot of people angry at you because of power armour,... but it's no way near as simple as that. When you lose a marine you feel it, so you have to be remarkable tactical and flexible in your choices.
You have to know the exact ins and outs of every unit so you can adapt them to the situation at hand. Whilst this is true of all armies, it's particular true of the elite armies: Space Marines and CSM. We can't shrug off casualties with cheap 5/6point troops.
Also, the play style is the most engaging. Armies like Tau/Guard will out fire you, Nids and Orks will out CC you... so you have to fight the mid range battle as best as you can, and trust me - it's at midrange where all the exciting battles happen
I must say, however, Dark Angels are regarded as being a particularly difficult choice to use. I seem to remember the designers themselves saying that they were supposed to be the Imperial Marine army for advanced players - you may like to bear that in mind.
In terms of modelling and look... that's an entirely subjective thing really. I love the rabble and presence of the guard, but I tend to prefer the dynamic nature of the Space Marine - Chaos or Imperial.
Hope that helps a bit.
The Dark Angels are for advanced players?! Wow!
I spent ages painting them! lol
Btw, I am leaning more towards the Marines, also, when I say a Dark Angels army and say a variation, I mean one of the chapters from the Dark Angels Legion who went to Chaos, so I would have one of the chaos chapters based on the Dark Angels codex.
What chapters are easier to use in your opinion then?
I play both, although I just started my SM army.
You can't go wrong with either.
But in hindsight, there are a few drawbacks to the IG.
Their Codex is one of the older ones and some of the new 5th Ed. rules make it a little tough in some scenarios. Rumor has it that a new Codex is on the way though and even with some outdated rules, they are still fun and competitive. IG also has some of the best vehicles in the game. I don't care who you are facing, they don't like seeing Leman Russes or Bassies deployed. And the Hellhound is one of the coolest units in the entire game IMO.
And then there is the painting. You have to paint a ton of models for an IG army. That isn't a big deal if you love painting. I, however, just LIKE painting. So it ticked me off a bit when I realized I needed to paint 25 models for a single troop choice.
Personally, I think SM's are easier to paint too. 10 easy to paint models vs 25 PitA to paint models per Troop Selection. Winner = SM
SM also just got a bunch of new models and a shiny new Codex.
Both are great, but if you are building your first army, I would suggest SM's.
Remember the models look virtually the same for Marines, Dark Angels or Fallen.
What I'd advice is getting used to them by using normal marine rules, and then occasionally dabbling in the direction you want to take them once you get the necessary experience.
That way, you get the best of all worlds, and you're not shelling out stacks of money for new armies.
I have a very large IG army (about 6-10k depending on loadouts) and started a space marine army a month ago. Before that had a couple squads of deathwatch but that was it.
First its really thrilling to see how fast my army cam together. Painting the space marines is so much easier because they have smaller numbers and power armor is just easier to paint.
I would go space marines first and when the new guard codex comes out you can start with them then.
And as Karmoon said, that's a good way to get 2 armies. I painted my marines like pre-heresy emperor's children so if I wanted to play chaos I could just say they're emperor's children who didn't repaint their armor. Most marine units translate over in terms of literalness except for a few exceptions (mostly on the chaos side, like defilers) and will save you a lot of money as the core of both armies will work as one.
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