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Neither, more troopers for me!
The discussion around king_kabab's poll regarding rough riders and storm troopers keeps on coming around to people comparing Stormies to veterans, so I was wondering what's best and in what situations?
Who is the coolest shootiest around?
I use veterans in my guard army because they don't need extra points to infiltrate, can have three special weapons instead of two, are cheaper than storm troopers, the sergeant can use "Officer Only" items, and the better save isn't really that great. I say, infiltrate them (or deepstrike if you have drop troops) pop a tank, another or some elites after that (if the enemy ignores them), and don't get too attached.
I use them in a squad of 6 with 3 melta guns. (I save flamers for command squads because it's a waste of the greater weapon skill, and you can take four instead of three)
I take a squad of 10 Vets. Shotguns and Meltas. Infiltrate, outflank or deep strike... it's all good.
I also prefer vets over stormies for the reasons listed above but also fluffwise: Humans that have survived numerous encounters? Awesome!
They don't require a doctrine point to use (unless you want more of them) and can infiltrate with heavy weapons like a lascannons.
On the other hand, I also take stormies has grenadiers so I can have a good scoring unit that has better armour.
Imperial Guard: 3000 pts
Chaos Daemons: 1000 pts
Vets fit my fluff and I think the rules are better, but I dont have models that I can use.
I use the old metal Cadians, which don't really look good next to the plastic ones.
Stormies for me, better save, better standard gun, targeters, standard grenades. sure they can't have a heavy weapon, and they have 1 less special; but the added survivability and the ability to make their shots count (targeters are a god-send) make them well worth it in my mind. not to mention that with the grenadiers doctrine stormies count as troops! no need to infiltrait or deep strike these guys just throw em in a chimera and turn em lose
"War is crulity. It is of no use trying to reform it. The cruler it is, the faster its over." William Sherman
Storms for me, prefer having an actual armour save better than paper, prefer the hellguns, prefer having DS or infiltrate
do vets have a plastic model even?
What do you call a lasgun with a lazer scope?
a twin linked lasgun.... HA haha haha