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    Okay.. ARE there good guys in 40K?

    This was a in another topic that was kinda going astray. I decided it was more appropriate in it's own thread.

    I see the Inquisition (Ordo Maleus and Hereticus) as the ONLY "Good Guys" in 40K. They fight the worst menace the Universe has. They fight it in the ONLY way possible.

    With Chaos there ARE no "shades of grey" It's ONLY black or white. If you aren't actively opposing them.. you are facilitating them... you ARE them.

    There's no such thing as 'a little bit Chaos' any more than there's 'a little bit pregnant'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fuzzy Wumpus View Post
    I'm gonna have to back Goblin up here. The Inquisition is about as "good" as the Spanish Inquisition it takes many of it's cues from, and the Knights are the pinnacle of their "benevolence". I think the most diplomatic term you could apply to them is "righteous".
    And this is the quote that made me decide it needed a new thread. The Spanish Inquisition was completely different. They prosecuted people based on GREED.. "You're father was a minion of the DEVIL countess.. I'm sorry.. OH... and we are confiscating his land and all of his stuff"

    The Ordo's all ready have all of the material needs they could want. And those whom hoarde it are castigated and prosecuted (and normally executed) by their bretheren...

    ONLY the fight against Chaos matters. The only 'REAL' Schism between Inquisitors is the 'Radical -vs- Puritan' thing... but they BOTH are all about black and white judgements.

    Not sure it there IS a similar group to the Spanish Inq... If there were they would likely be some Governor's Arbites. But NOT the Holy Inquisition!

    There are no EASY good guys in 40K... But the Ordo's are the 'hard'' good guys...

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    The Inquisition isn't as nice as you think, entire worlds will be put to the torch if the inquisitor in charge thiks the taint is there and there's no more way to rescue them.
    AS for good guys the only good guys are the guys on your side, chaos marines consider themself good, most of them are doing it because they felt betrayed by the imperium or are helping mankind survive to horrors of the universe by bringing them into chaos.

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    I believe the term you may be looking for is anti hero, the worst type of hero as it makes all the bad guys look soft.
    The =][= are not good guys as all the branches (you forgot the ordo xenos) have puritan and radical sides. Granted thier all, in the end, meant to help the Imperium in the long run (ends justify the means) but you've always got the ones that go rouge.
    Its all about perspective when asking who are the good guys. Tau arnt far off but its a bit too Utopian for my liking (all that glitters...). Proberly the closest are orks as they are neither good or bad just out to do some stompin!!!!

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    It's quite simple really -

    The imperium ( Imperial guard, sisters of battle and inquisition), is a facist dictatorship, that mercilessly crushes all rebellions and kills soldiers for cowardice. They also sacrifice millions of innocent people everyday to sustain the emperor, and even though yes it does stop the forces of chaos over running the galaxy, the end doesn't justify the means. They are also heavily xenophobic and will often destroy peaceful alien races simply out of spite.
    Even the space marines follow these to some degree or another.
    In short Imperium = Evil.

    The eldar are an incredibly arrogant race who sacrifice millions of humans and other races instead of fighting themselves, they are also responsible for the creation of the chaos god slaneesh. The dark eldar are slightly worse as they kill, maime and torture millions in order to buy slaaneshes favour and stop him/her (he is both) from killing them.
    So yeh eldar = Evil.

    The tyranids and orks are more like diseases than anything else, they eat away at the galaxy (literally in the case of the tyranids) it is just the way they are, they are not necesarily evil but are by no means good.

    The Necrons are enslaved to the C'tan, the C'tan are evil plain and simple, and the necrons made the deal that has enslaved them in order to take revenge upon the old ones so again evil.

    Chaos... do i even need to say anything... EVIL, just incase that isn't satisfactory think sacrifices, killing more killing more sacrifices did i mention killing and sacrifices. All of which is for personal power. There are a couple of chaos factions which have background that suggests good but none of it is a complete certainty, example = alpha legion. They supposedly joined with Horus in an attempt to destroy chaos entirely, sacrificing themselves and the rest of humanity to save the entire universe. While it failed it was if true a very selfless act.

    Tau i would say are the only race that fights for a good cause. They fight for what is effectively, equality and peace for all. They fight to expand there way of life. They fight those who fight back and allow innocents to join there empire in exchange for its protection.
    So yeh i'd say Tau are the only good race in 40k. Out of the main ones and those that are still alive anyway.
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    Lol on the same logic the Tau are manipulative socialists abused and used by the strange powers of the Ethereals

    As for the Eldar humans are like cattle to them. Manipulating humans to take the brunt of attacks is less twisted than you killing a cow to make a Burger. (not that im trying to encourage vegetarism its just the how I see the Eldars perspective on humans). Ok the Eldar created Slaneesh but at least the regret it.

    The Imperium of Man has nice intentions, I would not say it is evil as it stand, howeverbe it is a bit of an open market for abuse by those who are.

    Some of the Space Marines are pretty much pinnacles of good. Blood Angels for example are virtuous and noble in ideal. Though they do let the humans of Baal suffer abit. Then there are the Space Wolves who have lofty ideals, though again they don't do anything to improve the life of the ruled planets population so they are tough. A greater good paralell maybe. The Salamanders maybe, can't think of any reason of hand why they are Evil.

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    Tau are kindof like the Chinese Government. Looking out for the betterment of it's society and it's indivuduals, as long as it doesn't oppose the Communist party.

    The only pure good force (to it's own morality) is a Puritan Grey Knight force. There has never been one Grey Knight that has turned.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreachon View Post
    The Inquisition isn't as nice as you think, entire worlds will be put to the torch if the inquisitor in charge thiks the taint is there and there's no more way to rescue them.
    heh.. the Inquisition is likely MUCH nicer than I think.

    Destroying a world full of people.. Innocent people.. So that they are not corrupted and become part of the Enemy.. Is sometimes an appropriate response... In the scope of a BILLION Worlds.. what's one.. or a hundred.. or a thousand... or a hundred thousand.. Keeping weapons out of the arsenal of Chaos is more important.

    AS for good guys the only good guys are the guys on your side, chaos marines consider themself good, most of them are doing it because they felt betrayed by the imperium or are helping mankind survive to horrors of the universe by bringing them into chaos.
    Some do.. I think most (especially the 'cult' types) are only in it for their own good and the good of their Gods... i.e. Evil.


    I believe the term you may be looking for is anti hero, the worst type of hero as it makes all the bad guys look soft.
    heh.. anti-hero's aren't really heroes beyond 'the enemy of my enemy' kind of way

    The =][= are not good guys as all the branches (you forgot the ordo xenos) have puritan and radical sides.
    I didn't forget the OX.. THEY aren't part of the 'anti Chaos' forces I consider the 'good guys' . and I wasn't talking about individuals... you will always find good/bad persons.. I was talking about organizations..

    Granted thier all, in the end, meant to help the Imperium in the long run (ends justify the means) but you've always got the ones that go rouge.
    Yeah... when they put on makeup.. they are certainly veering toward Slanneshi.

    Its all about perspective when asking who are the good guys. Tau arnt far off but its a bit too Utopian for my liking (all that glitters...).
    Those Commies???? Talk about EVIL... and they have NO defenses in general against the incursions of Chaos... Wipe 'm out for OUR own good!

    Proberly the closest are orks as they are neither good or bad just out to do some stompin!!!!
    Them 'n the Tyranids.. Food for the Food God!!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Diggums Hammer View Post
    Tau are kindof like the Chinese Government. Looking out for the betterment of it's society and it's indivuduals, as long as it doesn't oppose the Communist party.

    The only pure good force (to it's own morality) is a Puritan Grey Knight force. There has never been one Grey Knight that has turned.

    And THIS.. Is kind of my point.



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    chinese government don't take individuals into account. They treat everyone equally.
    I'm not sure about Tau, immune to Chaos and allies with Daemons?

    True grey Knights have morality, but their faith is too strong to question the creed of the Imperium. What if the creed is imorale in places?

    Orks are in the fight for themselves. They don't recognise civilisation and don't build towards the future.

    Eldar know too much, they simply cannot complete all their technological assessts because they have too few, for many have fallen to other powers. They simply cannot build harmony.

    Similar to Eldar, humans fall too easy to the enemy. They need leadership, unlike Eldar which means, they ultimately have the power to become good guys.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragons View Post
    I didn't forget the OX.. THEY aren't part of the 'anti Chaos' forces I consider the 'good guys' . and I wasn't talking about individuals... you will always find good/bad persons.. I was talking about organizations..
    Then whos going to take out chaos loving xenos?

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