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    1500pts blood angels DC list

    Ok i play blood angels not for long and i wonna try a heavy assault army build around a core from deathcompany and dante/lemartes. Furious charge from the DC with reroll to hit and hits on 3 + .

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    Dante 200
    Lemartes 125

    TROOPS

    5 x assault ( powerfist ) 165
    5 x tactical ( powerfist ) 140
    5 x tactical ( flamer ) 120

    ELITES

    5 x veteran assault ( 3 powerweapons ) 195
    10 x deathcompany ( 10 jumppack, 4 dc for free ) 230
    1 x furioso dreadnought ( heavy flamer ) 105

    FAST ATTACK

    1 x attack bike ( multimelta ) 50
    1 x attack bike ( multimelta ) 50

    HEAVY SUPPORT

    baal predator ( heavy bolters ) 125

    TOTAL : 1505 pts with 36 models

    Can i give this a try?


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    Quick run over your list here - the post may be a bit long

    Quote Originally Posted by dento View Post
    HQ

    Dante 200
    Lemartes 125
    Its a nice combo and should work well. I assume Dante will be attached to the vets and Lemartes will lead the DC. If/when the DC fail, attach Lemartes to Dante + squad and you'll still get use out of his re-rolling love =)

    Quote Originally Posted by dento View Post
    TROOPS

    5 x assault ( powerfist ) 165
    5 x tactical ( powerfist ) 140
    5 x tactical ( flamer ) 120
    I'm not so keen on these troop options. It costs about 40 points more to take 2 x 5man squads than it takes for 1x10man squad, and you can split the 10men into combat squads to get the same strategic effect.
    Combine the tacticals to 1 10man squad, keep the flamer and power fist, and you'll have points left over for a missile launcher - making your troops more useful and still enough points for another DC model, meaning you dont lose that 'free' model. Run the numbers, you'll be suprised!

    Quote Originally Posted by dento View Post
    ELITES

    5 x veteran assault ( 3 powerweapons ) 195
    10 x deathcompany ( 10 jumppack, 4 dc for free ) 230
    1 x furioso dreadnought ( heavy flamer ) 105
    Thats a lot of points on elites. Considering 5th ed has made objective holding games all about the troops, maybe that mass of points spent on the DC or vets would be best put into more regular assault squads? Yea, jumping death Co. can contest an objective, but they are likely to kill the enemy unit holding it which then leaves the objective open!

    I do like the dreadnought, however i feel that his limited speed and range would mean he's baby sitting the tactical squads until something comes along that he can toast...
    If you find the points, consider a drop pod to get him on the enemy's lines just before your Vets/DC/ASMs get stuck in =)

    Quote Originally Posted by dento View Post
    FAST ATTACK

    1 x attack bike ( multimelta ) 50
    1 x attack bike ( multimelta ) 50
    I see 100 points that could have been put into men that are useful in an assault. They dont give you a free DC model, they die just as fast as marines to high strength weapons and only have 1 shot when they do get into range. Power fists on 4 sarges would cost less than one bike and do the same job against enemy armour. I would take out the bikes - the points can be better spent for your list.

    Quote Originally Posted by dento View Post
    HEAVY SUPPORT

    baal predator ( heavy bolters ) 125
    Yes, a very nice choice! For once, i'll agree here. A good addition to fill the shooty role in a non-shooty army and gives the enemy's anti-armour something other than your DC to shoot at...

    Quote Originally Posted by dento View Post
    Can i give this a try?
    You dont need our permission, but i think with the list you gave there, you might struggle against certain armies, especially shooty heavy, until you get into CC range. There are a few refinements that you could do to get the most out of your points, but some of them are personal preferance.

    Sorry about being a bit harsh on your list by the way - its just how i tackle lists =)

    CR
    Last edited by CleanRabbit; December 16th, 2008 at 10:57. Reason: re-run the numbers on DC costs


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    HQ

    Dante 200
    Lemartes 125

    TROOPS

    5 x assault ( powerfist ) 165
    10 x tactical ( powerfist ,flamer, missile launcher) 225
    5 x assault ( powerfist ) 165
    5 x assault ( powerfist ) 165

    ELITES

    6 x veteran assault ( 3 powerfists 2 melta guns) 270
    6 x deathcompany ( 6 jumppack, 5 dc for free ) 60


    HEAVY SUPPORT

    baal predator ( heavy bolters ) 125

    TOTAL : 1505 pts with 40 models and 5 troop choices

    tried to keep close to your original list while increasing total troop chioces
    Last edited by ROLLO86; December 16th, 2008 at 12:06.
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    Tx for the reply's i will see what i can do withyour suggestions. Its just hard to put everything i like into a list from 1500 points because BA are expensive in points.

    Is it worth to put 35 points into a deathcompany model or shall i keep them free.

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    I almost never pay for any DC except for their jump packs of course. I normally run 5 DC with a chaplain. I also run one VAS, 3 Assault squads, DC and often Honor Guard as well, plus I turbo-boost my tacticals in a rhino forward, so I give the enemy lots of places to split their fire. I screen my DC behind a troop choice to protect them and give them a cover save. Five DC works fine for me. Six should work a little bit better.

    Where I play though, 1500 points means 1500 or less, not 5 points over. Other places are probably more flexible than that.
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    I agree with the others; you've got too many models in your Death Company and not enough in your regular Troops. Those five man Assault squads won't survive for very long.

    Furthermore, at 1'500 points I play Lemartes as the only HQ.

    I suggest you cut down on your Death Company and Dante and go for 10 man sized squads in your regular Troops.
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    What about this list.

    HQ

    Dante 200
    Lemartes 125

    TROOPS

    5 x assault ( powerfist ) 165
    10 x tactical ( powerfist ,flamer, plasma cannon) 230
    5 x assault ( powerfist ) 165
    5 x assault ( powerfist ) 165

    ELITES

    5 x veteran assault (2 melta guns) 170
    6 x deathcompany ( 6 jumppack, 5 dc for free ) 60
    1 x furioso 100

    HEAVY SUPPORT

    baal predator ( heavy bolters ) 125

    I wonna have furioso in my list because i painted him allready and i like the model.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dento View Post
    What about this list.
    It's actually even worse than your original list. Your increase in Troops doesn't balance out the remove of the Attack Bikes which were a significant antitank weapon.

    My suggestions:

    1. Drop Dante. 300 Points on HQ units is too much for 1'5000.
    2. Make Assault Squads of 10 Marines (can you say "Tau"?).
    3. I'd prefer to have a Missile Launcher in that Tactical Squad for versatility.
    4. Your original idea to give power weapons to the Veteran Assault Squad was far better.
    5. You should upgrade that Furioso to a Venerable Furioso - this upgrade is clearly worth its points.
    6. I'd think about bringing back the Attack Bikes or throw in a Vindicator for more bang.
    Last edited by Parcival; December 17th, 2008 at 06:01.
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    Ok another try....

    HQ

    Lemartes 125

    TROOPS

    10 x tactical ( powerfist ,flamer, plasma cannon) 235
    10 x assault ( powerfist ) 275
    10 x assault ( powerfist ) 275

    ELITES

    5 x veteran assault (2 powerweapons,1 meltagun) 190
    5 x deathcompany ( 5 jumppack, 5 dc for free ) 55
    1 x furioso ( deathcompany,heavy flamer ) 125

    FAST ATTACK

    1 x attack bike ( multimelta ) 50
    1 x attack bike ( multimelta ) 50

    HEAVY SUPPORT

    baal predator ( heavy bolters ) 125

    I want to have a extra baal predator model so i can swap it with the furioso dreadnought if i want. I hope this list is better

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    Quote Originally Posted by dento View Post
    Ok another try....

    I think your list is perfect. The only mistake you made was when typing that 5 DC members are free, but you correctly calculated the points.

    Your list's strength is that now it is balanced out to deal with all kinds of enemies and every link is optimized to do what they can do best:

    1. Lemartes and the DC can do surgical strikes (my fellow players are really afraid of them).
    2. Your Tactical squad can babysit your mission objective while the Plasma Canon blows apart Terminators teleporting in.
    3. Assault Squads are Powerfist delivery systems and that's exactly how you designed yours.
    4. I like the idea of the meltagun in your VAS, this way your enemy needs to pay attention to his tanks' rear armor.
    5. Personally, I would rather go for the venerable upgrade for the Furioso, but general consensus among BA players is that any upgrade is worth it up to 125 points as it gives you a hard hitting Dreadnought without costing too much.
    6. Your Attack Bikes and the Baal are a strong weapon against tanks and infantry.

    Excellent list. Now you can still bring in dante at 2'000 points.
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