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Hey everyone, been lurking on this forum for a couple weeks now reading everything I can find, and I finally went ahead and purchased a bunch of guard boxes. By friday I'll have
2x Cadian Battleforce
1x Cadian Shock Trooper Box Set
1x Chimera Box set
15x Plasma Gun bits.
Along with some other knick knacky stuff, a carrying case, rule books, etc.
My question is being as how I'm definitely not the most creative or artistic person around, is there a special way I need to go about putting all of this together? Is there a way that works well for others?
Also, as far as bases go, what's the best way to get those gorgeous looking bases? Do you "decorate" them before you glue the model on? After? If so how?
Thanks for your time, and any additional advice you would like to leave would also be amazingly helpful.
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Almost forgot, I've got another box of shock troopers I won off Ebay this morning.
First of all, i'd write up an armylist, so you know what heavy- and special weapons you want in your army.
You might want to post it in the armylist section here in the Imperial Guard forum, to get comments and criticism on it.
Link to IG armylist section
When i start an army, I like to have as few unfinished squads around as possible, as I'm quite easily intimidated by 150+ grey figures, and I'm a firm believer of "out of sight, out of mind".
I'd also make sure i had a colourscheme i really like. otherwise you will probably grow sick of painting all those guardsmen, and then never finish them all.
I've only just begun basing my minis. I've found that i like assembling the models and sticking them on the base first, and then using PVA glue to glue sand to the base. On my special figures, like heavy weapon teams (the big bases), or characters, i like doing something special, like bigger pieces of gravel or specially themed parts, urban rubble or jungle plants, for example.
I'd also rush out and buy the command squad box, and some officers, unless you want to convert them yourself.
Last edited by me_meza; February 17th, 2009 at 20:59. Reason: added link
Welcome to the guard!
Whilst the figures are multipart there are only a limited number of ways that they go together and look 'right' most of your cadians will be looking down the length of their guns at shoulder level if you dont use the bayonet ones.
The trick is to clean up all of the parts do a dry run fitting them together and then use plastic glue and stick them on, this will stay tacky for a short time so you can swivel the arms into the right place.
As for the bases, I do mine afterwards, many do them before. If before once the model is built pva sand to the base and leave for a bit. the model can then be sprayed black. after that drybrush the base bestial brown then a lighter brown then bleached bone, each time use less paint. Once done do round the edge of the base with black. next step paint the figure, guides abound so il skip that. after that add static grass or such to your base by using blobs of pva and then sprinkling the grass on. et voila one guardsman done only another 100 and something to go!!
For basic how to set an army up before this follow my guide at the top of the guard forum page, the for those who dont knwo what to buy. there are others up there to you might want to look into.
When deciding on a colour scheme use the double page int he codex for inspiration but remember that dark armour and light fatigues is the norm and looks good. (can work the other way around but havent seen it doen that well tbh).
Dont forget you also need command squads, I do suggest writing a list before getting any men assembled though!
Anyway that shoudl be enough to be getting on with.
Good luck and once again welcome to the guard
Hope that helps
Well, I had planned on using the tank accessory sprues to make officers, seeing as how spending $35 Dollars for 6 minis when I could get 20 for the same price seems wasteful at the moment. Do you really suggest it? What do you get out of the command squad box that's really different?
Also, am I going to have to buy melta guns as bits as well?
Wow, you sure like to spend money my friend!
I'd second the advice to look through the codex and get an idea of what heavy weapons you want. personally I like Heavy Bolters and Autocannons, although all of the option have their advantages. Also its possible to double you money by basing the mortars on standard round bases with seperate crewmen made from your cadians.
The Tank Officer from the vehicle sprues also makes a good Infantry Officer with a biot of converting.
With the IG bitz are your friend, I have used bits from Empire, Chaos Marauders and all sorts of others in order to set my IG apart from the crowd. This is especially true when making hardened Vets.
PLAN CLAN MAN!!
He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man- S. Johnson
The most important advise i can give really is dont rush into slapping things together, make sure you know how you want the model to look instead of glueing it and seeing what happens.
General order i go is,
Add details with green stuff and cut and smooth anything unwanted.
Dont use to much glue or you will get messing. better to use to little and have to add more.
Spray paint the base coat. gives am uch nicer finish.
Always dilute your paints. do not use them straight from the pot.
I always do my bases last. Mainly because they rarly need painting the methods i use and i like my guardsmens foot to be that tiny lil bit sunk so it looks like he actually has some weight.
Where are your men from? What kind of ground do they walk on? Theres some good methods to acheive numerous type.
Plan ahead and dont glue your weapons on. Magnetize them so you can interchange them and remove them easily if destoryed in a battle or dont glue them in place. Saves you kickin yourself later when u think uve made the wrong choice.
Trial and error is your friend. Assemble your cheap guardsmen first, and use them to practice and experiment on and practice painting. There easily replaceable once you improve.
Just remember. Your NOT going to acheive perfection on your first models.
Thanks for the advice so far, I appreciate it. Conversions are going to be the hardest thing for me, as I'm the type of guy that expects things to just fit according to instruction, and improving in that creative sort of way is going to be a challenge, but I'm sure it'll be very rewarding.
It IS frustrating that the shock troop boxes don't come with every available special weapon they can use. Man this game is a cash cow for GW.
If I use conversions for, say, my officers, will that unit be legal in an official tournament?
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Well, I also bought some of the extra large bases (10 of them to be exact), and I figure it shouldn't be too difficult to convert a tripod, so I'm hoping to make 12 teams out of each box. I figure I can mount the lascannon, give the missile launcher to a soldier, mount the bolter/auto cannons, and just have the mortars next to the two units using them. Seems ambitious, but we'll see I guess.
If I remember correctly, once upon a time, there was a guide somewhere on the interwebs that showed you how to get the most out of the heavy weapon platoon boxes. It might even be here i saw it.
as to the command squads. If you convert an officer, and it looks different enough that you would be able to pick him out at a glance, you're good to go.
i just like the command squad because you get a ready made regimental standard, medic, veteran with meltagun and a sweet looking officer (and a casualty, which you could use as an objective marker in your games if you wished to)
The issue with not being the improvisational kind: you can usually get around that by sitting down and thinking "what do i want this to look like". I find a little planning gets me a long way, in almost any aspect of this hobby of ours.
If you have a friend that play marines, try asking him or her if they have some spare plasmaguns (those lucky marines get them in their basic troop boxes.) I'm not sure if they'll fit in the hands of your lowly guardsmen, but it's worth a try if you dont want to fork out the 8 quid they cost for a plasma- and a meltagun.
As long as your model has what he is supposed to it doesnt matter what he looks like. All my officers are normally equipped with standard pistols or lasguns or Boltguns so i always have to convert them from somthing else.
For conversions the best tip is DONT FORCE IT TO FIT. Even on the standard models when acheiving certain poses there will be gaps. Accept them and fill them in with green stuff.
Personally i buy weapon packs from forgeworld and then use standard guardsmen converted to create the weapons teams. They have some nice looking plasma and melta guns which fit nicely on guardsmen and save buying the £8 models.
Converisons get considerably easier the more bits you have lying about.
I would definitely hold off on the command squad. It is going to be one of the first wave of new IG releases. It will be in plastic, which is IMO easier to model and paint. It will also come with lots of bits and more customizable figures.