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    Is the Vendetta to cheap?

    After reading the new codex once, I got these impression that the versatility and cost of the Vendetta make it enter in the top five of the best units of the new codex. Let's check some facts.

    1 - Cost: With the options the maximun cost is 140pts.

    2 - Deployment: Deep Strike, Flanking or Scout.

    3 - Mobile Fire: It can move 6" and fire 3x twin-linked lascannons + 2x door heavy bolters.

    4 - Protection: medium frontal armor but good side protection + extra armor.

    5 - Mobility: Fast & Skimmer.

    6 - Transport: 12 models, Grav-chute disembarking.

    7 - FOC: it count like Fast unit and can work in a maxium of 3 squadrons of 1-3.

    Summary: Is a high-mobility, heavily-armed, medium armored, multi-role unit, that can do tank-monster hunting, provide limited anti-infantry fire and pick up a scoring unit for transport it to an objetive in the last turns. I am not sure, but I think that with the low-price these border the cheese clasification like the plasma gun and can be 20pts more expensive for keep the balance. Opinions?

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    It's a bit late for such opinions to have any effect, but yes probably. Some of the pricing really makes you wonder sometimes. *point costs removed* (gee, there's a real competition between those two...). It doesn't seem like enough thought was put into the pricing structure overall.

    That said, at least this time round they made at least made a few things undercosted instead of just the entire codex being overpriced.

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    Yeah to be honest I expected the Vendetta to be quite a bit more expensive. At least a sizable cost increase over the basic Valkyrie. The rocket pods dropping pie plates as defensive weapons is appealing, but I think I'd be hard pressed to go with a Valkyrie over a Vendetta, when the vehicle is so ridiculously mobile and well-equipped for tank hunting. Its good to designate units for particular roles, and the Vendetta is so much better at tank hunting than pretty much anything else in our list, that I'll expect to see one or more cropping up in most lists. The armor value seems even more worthwhile when you consider that your main battle tanks should be absorbing the worst of the enemy anti-tank fire. At the least for that point cost, I'd have expected the Vendetta not to be able to carry troops. But that much firepower on a great chasis, and still transporting troops around is sick nasty.

    The main balance I see to the Vendetta is that it basically hangs a big "Shoot here!" sign on its side. People are going to pay attention because of the triple lascannon pairs, plus the potential unit transported inside. Put a few battlecannon rounds into their units to really complicate matters for them, and you're golden.
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    Can only move 6" if you want to fire all 3 TL LC, in which case it doesn't get it's 4+ save.

    Hard to position hull-down due to large size of model and high base.

    AV12 is nice, but by no means hard to take out.

    They'll be a high priority target.


    130 pts is fine imo.

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    Not hard to take out on its own, most certainly. The new 'dex does a great job of emphasizing the combined arms approach though, and our great access to vehicles means (outside of an all-infantry list), you have no excuse not to overtax your opponent's anti-tank firepower. Vendettas look like a firepower magnet, but if you roll out a squad of Leman Russes, have Chimeras whizzing around transporting troops, maybe a hidden artillery vehicle or two, AND the Valkyries/Vendettas flitting out, its hard to really pick your poison against all that. Making it a pair of Vendettas plus other assorted vehicles, and your opponent might just cry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BoxANT View Post
    Can only move 6" if you want to fire all 3 TL LC, in which case it doesn't get it's 4+ save.

    Hard to position hull-down due to large size of model and high base.

    AV12 is nice, but by no means hard to take out.

    They'll be a high priority target.


    130 pts is fine imo.
    Exactly what I was going to say. Also, who would want to pair heavy bolters up with lascannons? That is an option that will almost never be taken. The vandetta will be able to outflank and get some side/rear shots on an anemy vehicle with it's lascannons, then if you're smart you'll drop the guys out of it the turn it outflanks because when it's time for your opponent to kill stuff, the vandetta is gone.
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    I don't think it is too cheap, but it is the strongest choice in the slot.

    Go figure, models that are only Forgeworld so far are near the top of the curve:
    Vendetta (FW is making a Valk upgrade kit)
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    The vendetta is the king of kings and has alot of hype, but it will come down to earth after playtesting. 3 twin-linked lascannon shots can take out tanks but melta weapons are better. A vendetta can only kill 3 models per turn or one tank. To fire all 3 lascannon shots you can only move 6, and with the model being so large, it will be hard to fly over a building to shoot at something.

    I will be using the valk with multi-rockets and an added heavy bolter, with this setup I can move 12 and lay down alot of fire power. The Valks/Vendettas will add some much needed mobility to IG list, but most will give up that added dimesion 2 shoot some twin-linked lascannons.

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    Well, I hear the same opinions about be weak armored every time I say that I deploy 9-12x thin-paper armored Sentinels. Like Sokhar, I think that if we deploy them with 3x Leman Russ with sponsons & Chimeras, the oponent AT weapon capacity can be overwhelmed and start sweting trying to decide between fire to the Leman Russ with sponsons or the Vendetta with sponsons. Either way, he is outgunned and the Chimeras can advance unmolested to the objetive.

    The HB sponsons is a plus for flexibility, because even if we face an horde army, the points invested in a Vendetta are not entirily wasted and I think that 10 points more for 2x aditional HBs is not that expensive. But in my opinion, like sponsons for Leman Russ, these is less affordable in smaller army lists.
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    I agree with Mareo about the doorgunners. I am intending to take 3x2 vendettas in an Air Cav army list and the first thing I will shoot at with my vendettas is enemy tanks that are a threat to my skimmers. I will even turn all 18 TL Lascannon onto Space Marine Devastator squads if they are the threat and so the door gunners will chip in with this.

    Once the enemy tanks are dead I will begin shooting infantry with them in later turns so a 10 point upgrade to aid in horde defence seems quite reasonable even if I won't use it every turn. In the old codex Guard players often paid 10 points for HB sponsons on LRBTs that would only be used if the battlecannon was destroyed.

    Would you still take vendettas if all the lascannon were not twin linked? It would still be only 25 points more than 3 lascannon weapon teams. I certainly would and so I think the vendetta is overpriced but it is specialised and can be made redundant against horde lists. Compare our vendetta to a SM dread with one TL Lascannon, poor thing. And that Eldar Falcon with a BL + pulse laser that is only able to carry 6, has no twin linked anything at above 12" range and has to pay for spirit stones.


    As has been said above the large stand means it is unlikely to go hull down to get a cover save but then it is more difficult for enemies to claim a cover save when the vendetta is so high. The plastic stand can always have 2" sawn off the bottom and then re-glued to the base with a steel pin for reinforcement.
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