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So, over in the Line Squads thread, Sokhar made the first suggestion that I've seen as hugely cheesy for the new codex: a mortar for the CCS as a cheap way of improving the Master of Ordnance's barrage via the Multiple Barrage rules (p32 of the BRB ).
Now, by Rules as Written, this sounds like it should work. p32 simply says that the closest weapon is resolved first, so as long as the mortar is at the front of the squad, and the MoO at the back, it's legal. Possibly. Given that the MoO has special scatter rules, I can easily see opponents not being happy with this.
Does anyone with a stronger rules background than me (i.e. anyone) have any suggestions as to the legality of this?
Also, the thread title should read "...Clarification". Somehow I hit "Submit" early. Sorry. If a mod could edit this, I'd be hugely grateful.
Last edited by Lavallin; April 13th, 2009 at 11:25. Reason: Accidentally hit 'submit' midway through writing.
well, reading the MoO's weapon rules, and more importantly the barrage weapon rules in the rulebook. seems perfectly legal to use a mortar shot as an anchor for the MoO's shot.
a little unsporting, most opponents might be more than a bit upset at that being used as a roundabout way to avoid the MoO scatter. but for RaW players looking for competitive effectiveness, fair play.
(kinda like people planning on putting GKT in valkyries or next to Straken)
Typically I understand the rules complex as this: a series of layers.
If your codex it within the current edition of the general 40k rulebook then apply layers as such:
5th 40k Rulebook/USR's < 5th ed Codex...so overlay the codex over the rulebook.
If you are not in 5th edition yet then:
Codex < 5th Ed Rulebook & USR's...so overlay the rulebook over the codex.
Clarification of Interpretation:
Since the MoO has special rules then his special rules apply over the barrage special rules, sor for instance while you can fire the mortar once and then barrage the MoO shot off of the mortar it should still have to scatter off of the mortar's ordinance...the trick is now if you have another mortar you can pick to place off of either template given that you rolled a 'hit'.
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well you can only ever get 1 mortar into a command squad so that latter part won't matter. but the MoO's special rules are a little vague as they don't mention if his scatter rules apply to just shooting alone or as part of a barrage.
sigh, hopefully it get's FAQ'ed (along with a lot of other stuff) as i'm sure the rulebook's multiple barrage rule never took into account a special scatter rule in mixed barrage weapons. though i fear like most other FAQs, it'll be full of stupid questions that nobody really wondered about except for their 'crack' team.
Personally, I am inclined to think that the MoO rule overrides the BRB multiple barrage rules.
But I think this will be receiving a FAQ (hopefully before 2010).
Before anyone hates me for being cited as putting this idea forth in the opening post, let me just say that it was not my brainchild. Several guys from WarSeer came up with it, and its just a trick I'm adding to my arsenal. If Orks get to horribly abuse the wound allocation rules with Nob Bikerz, I don't feel bad about my ordnance blast actually being accurate. Plus it dictates that your Command Squad always remain stationary since you invested in both the Master of Ordnance as well as the mortar to play spotter. The really underhanded thing to do in addition to this is mount the Command Squad in a Chimera and have both the mortar and MoO firing from the top hatch. Then you have to blow the tank before you can kill the annoying Command Squad, and Mobile Command Vehicle allows the officer to continue to issue orders.
Might not be something I'd abuse in every situation (especially more casual gaming), but every list has its cheese which was not intended by GW--who clearly don't playtest well--but nonetheless is never adequately addressed by FAQ or errata. If other people want to play hard, then its good for Guard players to know ways to play hard back.
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At least the mortar is only 48" range, so a teeny-tiny drawback to use them together. Not much, but something.
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