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A friend of mine is really into horde armies so he started to collect orks.. i my self is.. as you might have read otherwise new in the 40k universe as well.
But hypothetically he could field
1 warboss, pimped with different goodies
6 nob bikers with painboy and a few claws
5x30 boys with a nob, bosspole and probably a claw or so just running ahead
3 deff dreads all with rokkits or maybe mega blasta
i mean really, how in the world could you take out 150 boys, even if you focus all your fire-power on them you still have 3 deffs and some crazy nobs chargin in any second
i feel um, speechless.. i have been thinking on what i could use to bring him down but i got no more clues.. even if he looses 2 squads of boys its still 90 boys running in
Any thoughts about this? have you met the green horde and lived? and if so how?
Generally speaking, blast Markers are your friends against the hordes.
Troops - Bolters are good at killing orks as long as you get plenty of shots, so tactical squads are great.
Elites - Sternguard in Drop pods with a couple of Heavy Flamers and a load of combi flamers.
Dreadnoughts can often tie up a mob indefinitely however only 1 mob at a time. If you take them, give them a heavy flamer on the DCCW.
Fast Attack - Land Raider Tyhpoons with Heavy Bolters (you can use krak missiles against the Kans as well.
Assault Squads with flamers can kill big mobs as long as they fire both flamers and pistols and get the charge.
Heavy Support Whirlwinds or Thunderfire Cannons. Nuff said.
That's my very brief "top tips" - I would post more but I have to leave the office now!
I assume this is a 2000 point game.
HQ: I would run a master bolt pistol/power weapon. The point of him is to bring down an orbital bombardment on the nobz and Instant Death as many of them as he can.
Elites: 10-man thunder hammer and storm shield terminator squad. If your orbital bombardment fails (probably will, i haven't been super succesful with it), this is your trump card. You teleport them close to the nob biker and run them as soon as they land. Either you can force his unit into being fired upon, or he'll charge you. These guys can also be used to charge a boyz squad. I wouldn't reccomend it as the terminators will have mass against them, but it can be done. The second elite choice is a 10-man sternguard squad. Use these guys to pound the crap outta the ork line.
Troops: 4 10-man tactical squad with missile launcher and flamer. You're going to need troops to hold objectives. Use the flamers to try and toast the ork boyz. In non-kill point missions, i would advise combat squadding. This way, the 5-man flamer squads can hunt the orks and the 5-man missile squad can hunt the deff dreads.
Fast Attack: 2 3-unit Land Speeder Tornadoes. Each Land Speeder has 2 Heavy Bolters. With this unit, you pretty much sit at 36" and concentrate fire on the orks. They should be easily cut down in no time.
Heavy Support: 2 Predator Destructors each with heavy bolter sponsons. These are also fire support. These guys will do heavy damage on the orks also. As with the predators, use this to concentrate fire.
As much as I hate to tailor lists, this list will probably total your friends ork list. The shear weight of fire power will have his ork squads dying everywhere. Each land speeder squad has 18 heavy bolter shots. Anyway, this list will probably do the job.
The current posts, say it all.
Against "horde" forces, all you need are multi-shot/temple/pie plate of death : weapons.
Thanks for the possitive answers and suggestions!
i felt doomed there for a while. it is tho a 1750p battle (yes its crazy but you can fit those orks in there!)
I dont like tailoring lists aswell (and most likely wont) but the possibilty of meeting something like this and with an untailored list you will get stomped.. unless lady dice is on your side
I am my self in the starting pit of SM, owning a good solid troop army (with the elites from black reach) at the moment.. but adding sternguard seems like a really good choise.
Also not mentioned but greatly effective against the nob bikers, and any massed infantry is the Demolisher cannon of the Vindicator. I have on several occassion completely wiped out a squad of nobs accompanied by a Warboss. Although the warboss survived, all the nobs were incinerated.
I would use the Thunderfire cannon. I recently shot it at a single squad of 6 khorne berzerkers getting 4 direct hits and achieving 20 hits and 6 kills. Imagine how many hits you could get in a mass of orks, even if you got scatter. On 5 mobs of 30 you could get 25 hits every turn!!
Last edited by 4theEmperor!; April 27th, 2009 at 20:21. Reason: typo
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Thunder fire cannon are awesome vs orks / horde armies. Also TH/SS terminator can kill nobs if you can get engaged that is, LR of some kind helps with this, also one of the best ways to kill footslogging ork lists is in CC, I know it sounds silly but here is what you do. Start out with a gunline of some kind and reduce the 30 man mobs down to about 20-22 then using any kind of assault unit, assault him and engage more then one mob, you want to hit one full on and just kinda clip the second unit, most likely he will not be able to get all of the second unit in. Then devide up your attacks the goal is to kill as many in each of his units as you can but still leave him over 10 so he is fearless. As long as at least 1 of your guys lives you should win combat and he will have to take no retreat wounds on both his units. This is easier to do the bigger you make the fight. Key is to get the charge also if you run pedro this is much easier with his inspiring presence ability.
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Really flamers and more flamers is the way to go. Stops their cover saves and kills them instantly. Also this might sound foolhardy but if you get them down to a manageable level you can charge them and make them lose combat and take even more wounds from fearless saves.
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Ork hordes can't kill vehicles, mount everything and steamroll him.
Rhinos+flamers, Land Raiders, Speeders w/ flamers and multi-meltas, TFC, Whirlwinds, Vindicator, and so on.
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