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The title prety much states it. The moment the new codex came out I immediately tried to adapt it to my usual strategy. Up until the new codex I played an airborne regiment that had a vulture and 2 thunderbolts for heavies providing support, but now with the skimmer rules out I have no idea what I could possibly do with them since using FW flier rules in conjunction to IG skimmer rules just doesnt sound legit to me at this point, while relying on apocalypse games alone isnt gona make up the cost of the models back. So anyone got any ideas?
Frm what I understand GW just slapped me across the face with the new codex rendering vultures and thunderbolts COMPLETELY legitametly unusable in standard 40k games, or at least until they release their own rules for them....
Am I not right in thinking that vulture = vendetta? So thats a fairly straight swap
Also when were forgeworld heavies usable in normal 40k a) without opponants permission and b) as a seperate detachment from the rest of the army...
I don't see what you have been slapped with because from my point of view nothing has changed in terms of Imperial armour, they certainly weren't in the last codex, unless i missed something entirely.
Dude, you get Valks and Vendettas. You have a good base codex and don't need flyers anymore, deal with it.
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well vultures you could just use skimmer rules for now, just use the same exact rules for the Valk from the codex but pts costs, weapon options, armour etc from IA, and thunderbolts are seperate rules anyway, so the new codex does nothing to nagate them
just use your imagination, I know most players round here despise that word and the notion of using your brain, but it can have surprising results, the problem is finding someone as open minded to the ideas
Last edited by Stella Cadente; May 6th, 2009 at 16:04.
Now however, valkyries and vendettas count as skimmers, therefore it would be simply impossible to field other flyers on the battlefield without using them as skimmers - which vultures, and thunderbolts dont have rules for. I cant just go into a standard 40k game and use valkyries as skimmers, and use thunderbotls as flier in IA rulebook - because technicaly both are supposed to be used in the same exact manor. Vulture I can see acting as a skimmer, but thunderbolt? Its a strafing fighter not a VTOL it cant be a skimmer.
Last edited by WraithGuardian; May 6th, 2009 at 16:38.
Maybe look to Planet Strike for fliers to re-emerge.
Speaking to a Forgeworld guy at the openday he was saying that the vulture would be getting skimmer rules similar to valks. They are bringing out a vulture with punnisher cannons to make up for the fact that vendettas outclass the previous rules for vultures. Loosing the flyer status is a reasonable downgrade but they now have better armour to compenate.
Thunderbolts haven't changed at all.
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as Stella Cadente put it, simply turn the vulture into a fast skimmer and use the "normal" flier rules for the thunderbolt. Like you said its a strafing plane, it should use the same rules. The vulture has VTOL just like the valk. The only thing the valk changed in regards to fliers was vultures.
Personally I'm probably just going to use my vulture as a valkyrie of either type. If you really want to maintain the same feel of the vulture just don't transport anything
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