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Would there be anything wrong in doing this? As I understand as long as the model is a GW model to start it doesn't matter what you add to it, correct?
My main thought behind doing this would be to make something that looks a little bit different. (doesn't have to be true GK bits, I'd be fine with whfb or anything that tweaks them to get the right idea). Otherwise I guess the obvious route would be green stuff. I'm pretty artistic, but I don't have tremendous experience with gs and have trouble doing small details with it.
Please, any and all thoughts.
This hobby is mostly for fun, so if you think that making a certain conversion is fun for you, probably you should pursue it.
A conversions using FB are always fun. Giving Space Marines some sbolters and converting swords or other weapons from FB is a good idea. I would also maybe look into black tamplar conversion sprues.
Good luck with your conversions.
Your gonna need a whole lot of luck to do it. If your looking to do it for the artistic side then have fun but if its to make a GK army on the cheap then there is just no sustitute for the real thing I'm afraid.
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All you need really is a Storm Bolter and a Nemesis Force Weapon; the Aegis suits which give them Shrouding and The Aegis are considered to be part of their power armour, so no problems there since your Smurfs are already wearing it. You might need to make them a bit more ornate too, but you can do that with a bit of fancy freehand in the paintjob.
I'd start with Assault Squad Marines, replace the Chainswords with suitably ornate (i.e, not chain-bladed) close combat weapons to represent the Nemesis Force Weapons, replace their bolt pistols with Storm Bolters; or alternatively just buy some Grey Knight arms and glue them on in place of normal Smurfy arms.
Pheonix is right, though. There's no substitute for the real deal.
I have attempted this feat, and failed horribly. If I were to attempt it again, I think I would succeed, however it would take me way more time then it is worth.
1. You need a storm bolter for each one. You can do this by putting two bolters together. But then you need to order extra parts. You can also do this with bolt pistols, but is more expensive.
2. You need a NFW. Swords, axes, halberds, etc. This is somewhat an easy part, but it can't just look like a normal everyday thing. It needs spice. Something that shows that no other army in the universe has these weapons.
3. Helmet. Their helmets are not like normal space marine helmets. If you notice there is a lip on their armour covering the bottom lip area of the helmet. Also their helmets look like knights helmets in a way. Now, I remember seeing some conversion article somewhere for doing this part. I simply just used plastic card for the lip covering the helmet, and for the helmet itself, well I never got around to that, but a file and some time, u can get it right.
4. Armour. Aegis is no simple thing. Ruins are etched into grey knight armour. Scrolls (are easy) need to be put all over the model. But mostly etched ruins. That is the reason I failed. Grey Knights have an amazing visual impact because of these symbols and phrases etched into the armour to give them said aegis power. Without them, you do not have grey knights. You simply have normal space marines modeled incorrectly. I have never seen a pic of a grey knight, without a tome on their chest as well.... I think that is an optional thing though.
5. Pose. The standard space marine pose is horrendous imo. The first thing I did with mine were change all the legs and poses. They need to look non-static. Of course this is optional to most. But in my opinion, it is not an option.
Anyways, I hope this helps. I personally got rather upset trying to do this. Not only that, but when you have an all grey knights force, and not just 1 squad, then you have 20-40 Grey Knights, and well that is just way too much conversion for one person to take on. Hell, I barely got through 5 complete guys in a month. I eventually sold them for a loss as well..... *sigh*
I am not trying to discourage you. Heck I want you to do this and succeed. I just don't want you to step into it lightly like I did. It is not an easy thing, and there are no shortcuts.
Hope this helps,
I've contemplated this in the past, though it never happened. If it is still possible to buy GK arms somewhere, I'd start with that. There's 25 percent of the job done right there.
For bodies, I've seen some neat examples of this done by simply using the Dark Angels Veteran sprue. You'll have to get used to your GKs wearing robes, but otherwise, those are much more ornate than "ordinary" SMs. They also have one helmet that resembles the GK helmets. If you can bits-order a bunch of them, that will help "sell" the conversion quite a bit.I'd also second the Black Templar upgrade sprues, as they offer lots of other neat, ornate stuff.
A paint job can go a long way, too. Basically, making them look more stunning or giving them more "bling" than the average Space Marine is the key. Me, I will probably suck it up someday and buy them, as I don't find the money saved will be worth it.
But then, if your goal is to have fun and make something that looks unusual, go for it!
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I don't like the Grey Knight models.
I tried to like them at first.. but the Nemesis Halberd is just absolutely noxious. The swords Grey Knights come with aren't much better. The Storm Bolters they have attached to their arms are almost perfect cubes; the Incinerator Grey Knight is literally a one-piece model, other than the backpack. I attempted to compensate by using Imperial Guard Powerfists as Nemesis Force Weapons, and they looked alright.. but to be honest, there's almost no variation or convertability in the poses of Grey Knights. There's a defiant stance pose, and a standing pose, and the Justicar hopscotch pose. Finally, I just bought a Tactical Squad and tricked them out.
There is nothing as convertable as a Tactical Squad, in my opinion. I'm using Imperial Guard Grenade Launchers to represent my P-Cannons and they are perfectly sized. I will post pictures when I get a squad all the way done. I think you'll have a lot better time converting your Grey Knights from Tactical Marines, because you have so many possibilities. The only thing they don't have is those awesome engravings along the edges of the Power Armor. (leg armor above the foot, right below the collar, etc)
Black Templar helmets are a great way to keep that awesome visor Grey Knights have, too.
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To the OP: Hunt around for pics of models that have been made into Grey Knights. Some look good, some not-so-good. I think the ultimate thing you can take away from this thread is that it's all in the personal preference. If YOU like how they look, well, that's all that matters.
I have suplemented my 20 GKPA models with converted smurf models.
They look ok.
I was quite a bit of work (and i am still adding one or two details)
What you need are nice bitz
i got a whack of scrolls and purity seals which helped.
also nice looking weps.
I got a friends fantasy stuff and mod'ed it as Nemises weps.(the rat army guys...i think) although anything cool looking will do.
Next i took a bit of sprue and cut a small block and stuck it to the chest of each marine.
i cut down the face plates of the helmets at an angle to mimic the proper helmets (and got some crusader type helmets from a friends bitz box which worked very nicely..think..emperors champion type helmet) then added a small collar to hide some of my butchery aroung the neckline.
next i faked the Storm bolters either by (as mentioned) sticking two bolt pistols together or by just modding some sprue and green stuff or plasticard type tube...really small (for the barrels)
[i did 5 termies as well and i simply cut a guage right into their powerfists and added the stormbolter right into it]
Then shoulder pads... i also raided someones bit box for nice looking ones...i never did do the sword and book on the left pad (i just painted them goldish) but i did do blank ones with name strips on the right pad.
then i slapped on some purity seals and scrolls to hide my butchery and paint.
What i liked best about this is the fact that i now have some knights with NFW in their left hand and Storm bolters on their right arms creating a bit of diversity.
I even have one with a grenade and one with an auspex as well as a kneeling model etc... you get the point.
It is a LOT of work though and i suggest just starting with 5 or maybe 10 models at the most.
Dont do what i did and try do 20 at the same time...
Rather take some time to get a few right and add them to the pre cast models for diversity.