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I really want a raven gaurd army thats just full of assault marines and vanguard and proper fluffy stuff.
They should follow the same rules as blood angels it would make so much sense that you could take assault marines as troops.
Would suite shrike so much a 1500pt army just swarming with assault marines,landspeeders and bikes. But if i start a army id have 2 take either 2 tactical sqauds or 2 scout squads and there slow and dont have the fast hard hitting punch that shrike demands.
Well you could get 2 5 man scout squads and put them in landspeeder storms, give the scouts BP and CCW or shotguns.
You said that they would follow the same rules as BA. I play Ultra's but if i'm correct I think BA can take Assault Marines as troop choices.
No i said they "should" follow the rules of blood angels where blood angels can take assault marines as troop choice.
But thx alot i never thought of landspeeder storms suppose could take troops that are fast after all.
And I can agree on your opnion on Raven Guard troop choices. Shrike should have some rule that if you use him he lets you take assault Marines as troop choices.
I am by no means what I would call a Raven Guard expert, though I know some members might think of me as such, but I would have to disagree with your fluff assessment of the Raven Guard as well as the idea of using the Blood Angels codex for their rules (or even just the bit about Assault Marines).
While it is true that the Raven Guard utilize jump packs to a heavy extent, it is by no means their sole focus. Drop Pods, Scouts and the ever present backbone of any Space Marine force, Tactical Squads, are all focused upon in a Raven Guard army that follows the 'traditional' fluff. I wrote an article for the 5th edition Space Marines codex, which you can find here, regarding designing an army list that follows the traditional fluff.
It is easy to think of the Raven Guard as a jump pack heavy force similar to Blood Angels, but the truth is that we are just so much more. We are all about surgical strikes and guerrilla warfare, and jump packs are a big part of that, true, but we are more about tactics and using what is required for each specific scenario. The Raven Guard will use any and all tools at their disposal, depending upon what they face at the time, and you shouldn't be limited by the traditional fluff, even though that is what my article above primarily focuses on.
If you have any questions at all about the Raven Guard, please, feel free to let me know and I'll do my utmost best to answer them or find the answers for you.
Wow, thanks for that lost nemesis! Thats really helped so much no longer do i want the assault marine heavy army i was thinking.
I want a mix of all the fast attack and scouts.
thx again rep for you.
Lost Nem strikes again =)
Indeed, I'm one of those that consider Nem to be an RG expert of sorts, and he is very correct in what he says.
There is nothing 'unfluffy' about taking a Vindicator in your list - it would be typical of the Raven Guard to sit a Vindicator in a heavily built up area, waiting for the enemy to run by before blowing them to hell, or using an armoured column to distract the enemy forces while the real force strikes a flank - hammer and anvil style.
As Nem said, Raven Guard are a tactical force who utilise tactics and intelligence over brute force like Blood Angels do. They dont throw away men aimlessly, they always have a plan of attack and several backups incase things go wrong. If you want to run a fluffy army list, then assault marines, drop pods and scouts are a good place to start, but please please please do not limit yourself to these units. With a little thinking, you can find a fluffy reason to take any unit in your Raven Guard army =)
there fluff shows they utilise scouts in vast numbers, and have an unchecked number of scouts rumours say they have many more then any other chapter.
love them to death still tough a little lacking in weapon skill but can defeat a tactical squad with a power sword sargent.
Yeah i was thinking troops and fast attack choices only maybe some sternguard dropping in and a single tank like a vindicator or whirlwind.
But i really want the fast hidden attack feel so mostly scouts,assault marines,bikes,landspeeders.
And of course shrike himself leading the charge.