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Any tactics/ideas? This is a 1000 point battle.
Against Dark Angels, his Zeal gives me lots of troubles... 7 attacks on the charge, 4+ invulnerable, 4 wounds. Can't kill that for the life of me. I'm good otherwise.
Against SM I am just outnumbered from what I feel, and can't beat him. And this kid is unbelievably lucky with armor saves. You tell him to roll 10 5+ invulnerable he will pass 8 of the 10. Meanwhile I have to roll 10 regular armor saves on 3+ and I fail 6 of them.
1000 pts is tough for the DH. We can hardly put together an army at that points level.
If you're serious about being competitive, I think you have two options for your builds.
1. Double land raider. This kind of army build has been commonly described everywhere and it's tactics are pretty simple to grasp if difficult to put into action. Let your raiders do all the dirty work, unload GKs with incinerators for decisiveness. It can be tough to win because you have to be so very very smart with your tactics, but this is a tough nut for many enemy armies to crack. I would strongly consider at least one of your raiders be a crusader.
2. IST melta spam in Rhinos. Take 3 or so IST units, 2x meltas, in Rhinos. Lots of mobile terrain to create and you have plenty of meltas to take down enemy mech. Back this up with a unit of GKTs and/or some PAGKs and you can make a pretty decent army out of it. Consider adding in a GK dread with TLLC/ML for additional shooting potency.
ninjabackhand: point and click, again, really? even after i give you an military term "shock tactic" you still call it point and click.
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I find that grey knights will usually do well against other marine armies (except probably space wolves). Then again, I also haven't played against Blood Angels.
For the DA character, I'm assuming you're talking about Azrael? That's easy. Have your GM deal with him. Since he is an IC without a retinue, he can be targeted in cc. Make sure you give your GM an Icon so that he get 4+ inv as well. Just get past his Inv save even once, and he's as good as dead from your GM's NFW's force effect. As soon as he dies, the whole squad loses it's 4+ inv saves.
As for the SM, there is no counter to luck, but if you believe in the laws of averages, his luck will run out soon enough.
Yeah, as you stated in my other thread, I can now beat him I'm pretty sure, as long as I get the charge. His Azreal I guess is how you spell it, sorry, was the thing that would kill me. 6 attacks on my 3 GKT + GM isn't cool.
And yea, hopefully the luck will finally run out for the SM player, ahah.
In this case, don't give your GM a retinue. Just put him with a squad of Grey Knights or GKT's. Then Azrael will have to decide whether he wants to attack your GK's or your GM as they are 2 separate units in cc (whereas your GM + retinue is considered only 1 unit). The downside to this is that if he has any Power Fists in his unit, they can target the GM and possibly insta-kill him whereas if he had a retinue, they can't.
Yeah, I prefer the retuine, cuz in theory, it is an extra 3 wounds on the GM, cuz of course his Azreal will attack my GM over my PAGKs.
I just fought the SM army again, and lost again. I just don't know what to do, dice were fairly even on both sides.
Last edited by Daemonhunter_Gamer; July 23rd, 2009 at 04:40.
Keep him at a distance, fight him in a ranged dual his precious dark angels can't hit you alot of the time thanks to the shroudind so just stay about 24 inches away and storm bolter him to death. If he has any transports those are public enemy #1 after you blow them up hellfire dreads are nice for this storm bolter him to death. If he starts to get too close back up most of your weapons are assault weapons, so use that ability. Gry knights are s6, this does not make them good at combat this is a last resort. At range grey knights can even beat sternguard.
at 24 inches sternguard shooting at grey knights in cover using hellfire rounds
approx 67% shots get passed shrouding keep in mind this is for full units
approx 44% hit
approx 37% wound
approx 12% die
at 24 inches sternguard firing at grey knights out of cover using vengance round
approx 67% get passed the shrouding
approx 44% hit
approx 7% overheat
approx 2% die from overheating weapons
approx 22% wound no saves
at 24 inches grey knights firing at sternguard cover isn't irrelavent
approx 67% hit
approx 34% wound
approx 11% kill
Take into account that your grey knights will be in cover hellfire is his best option he only kills you with approximately 12% of his shots. You kill him with approximately 11% of your shots whether their in cover or notyou also get twice as many shots and cost the same amount of points you should win the ranged war against either type of marine dark angel or their finest shots sternguard.
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If he keeps getting to you with Azreal...you could get sneeky
Try a Culexus assas (lowers leadership nearby) then put Word of Emp on your GKs meaning he has to roll to assault you...
may work once (if you can hide the assas totally from enemy line of sight till they are right on top of you. then just keep shooting him down or take the assault yourself..however you may find the extra point needed to pull this stunt are wasted..
but maybe you could try it for fun once..also since your guys are fearless...
Thanks a lot guys for the input on the Dark Angels, I think I got this next time we play.
As for the SM, I am still clueless, I lost again. Rolls were even. He simply outnumbers me, and there is nothing I can do from what I see. After 4 turns, I was out, and he was still kicking his dread, scouts, and some tactical marines plus a whirlwind. All I managed to wipe out was his biker, command squad and terms. Also a few tactical marines dropped from stormbolter fire, like 5.