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  • Leman Russ Battle Tank

    38 70.37%
  • 2x Hydras

    6 11.11%
  • 2x Griffons

    4 7.41%
  • Manticore

    6 11.11%
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    Best Heavy for cheap

    What is the best heavy that an otherwise ballanced list can get for 150 or 160 points?

    Leman Russ

    2x Hydras

    2x Griffons

    Manticore

    I have recently been getting less than stellar results from my LRBT (other than being a fire magnet alongside my Demolishers and am wondering how the other options fair)


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    All of those choices really have different roles so without knowing what you're lacking in your list or who your main opponents are it's really hard to comment.

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    If you're using a lot of armor to get in people's faces, I'd just stick it out with your LRBT. Your bad luck can't last forever.

    If you're looking for a change, I know the unit I've been itching to try out is the Manticore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lord borak View Post
    All of those choices really have different roles so without knowing what you're lacking in your list or who your main opponents are it's really hard to comment.

    As the OP says, assume an otherwise ballanced list. To add a bit of additional info, assume it is a mechanized list so there are plenty of other vehicles on the board.

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    LRBT is junk.

    Hydras knock out light AV and put out a ton of high S shots to hurt MCs and infantry.

    Griffins mess up infantry with accurate bombardment, but don't threaten armor.

    Manticores put out a ton of pies, a great threat against anything.

    It depends on the rest of your army, what else do you have?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ==Me== View Post
    LRBT is junk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darguth View Post
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    It's just not good compared to the other useful variants. The LRBT cannot reliably deal with heavy armor, cannot threaten Terminators, and cannot worry units in cover. It excels at wiping out clumped up marines in the open, whoop dee do. The Demolisher brings S10 AP2 ordnance to the table, scaring AV14 and Terminators while remaining a dominant horde checker. The Eradicator forgoes any effectiveness against vehicles to become the ultimate horde killer, 5th edition is all about cover and a S6 AP4 cover ignoring pie plate rocks face. The Executioner has 5, count 'em, 5 plasma cannon shots. That's a ton of hits and, cover or no cover, things will die.

    The LRBT has been outclassed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ==Me== View Post

    It depends on the rest of your army, what else do you have?

    Is the original question one that cannot be answered out of context of an army? I am just looking to see if people feel that there is a significant inherent advantage to one of these choices.

    I am actually rather a fan of the 2x hydras and their power against light vehicles, medium infantry and especially monstrous creatures.

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    A balanced army means a lot of things, those last couple points can fill a gap quite easily.

    Of them, the Hydras and Manticore are the most versatile and generally useful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ==Me== View Post
    It's just not good compared to the other useful variants. The LRBT cannot reliably deal with heavy armor, cannot threaten Terminators, and cannot worry units in cover. It excels at wiping out clumped up marines in the open, whoop dee do. The Demolisher brings S10 AP2 ordnance to the table, scaring AV14 and Terminators while remaining a dominant horde checker. The Eradicator forgoes any effectiveness against vehicles to become the ultimate horde killer, 5th edition is all about cover and a S6 AP4 cover ignoring pie plate rocks face. The Executioner has 5, count 'em, 5 plasma cannon shots. That's a ton of hits and, cover or no cover, things will die.

    The LRBT has been outclassed.
    The Demolisher sacrifices significant range.

    The Eradicator, as you yourself admit, sacrifices any anti-tank viability.

    The Executioner with PC sponsons is a significantly riskier points investment and bullet magnet.

    The OP quest was about cheap heavy weapon support. The Executioner doesn't even come close to fitting in that category if you want the awesome 5 blast awezomah powah it can bring. The Demolisher is by far the closest competitor with the LRBT in versatility-for-cost benefits, so it really comes down to your play demographics.

    Personally I don't really use any LRs for tank busting prefering meltas from Vets, ACs from line squads, or Devil Dogs; so that's one strike against the Demolisher for me. The LRBT will attract heavy fire away from your vital Troop Chimeras and force opponents to spread the board to deal with your additional range if they want to destroy the LRBT's anti-infantry capability (which they have plenty of for a low price tag). This lowers the effectiveness of most good anti-tank weapons such as meltas and MCs, enhancing the survivability of every vehicle in your list.

    It all comes down to preference and your overall strategy. You're general strategy doesn't use the LRBT effectively. That's fine. I'm sure you're still very successful with what you do. I recognize the value of the Demolisher but it's strengths don't coincide with my playstyle. But don't say it's crap just because you don't prefer it, that's far to subjective.

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