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I have read the thread "Are Honor Guards and Command Squads Retinues?" and i have some questions concerning the purpose of the honor guard.
The rules on page 48 explain that the IC can't leave the "retinue" and it seems that the common opinion is that the Honor Guard is not a retinue. Yet on page 53 in the SM codex the description is "in battle, the Honour Guard commonly act as the Chapter Master's retinue." It also says of the command squad "...most Captains fill their retinues with Space Marines..."
1. Why can't the Honour Guard be a retinue?
2. What is the purpose of the Honour Guard if they can't "guard" the chapter master as a retinue can?
I dont mean to beat a dead horse but would like to continue the discussion on honor guards and command squads.
The rules in the battle book about retinue is for the old codexes who still operate with that rule. It's then in the rules sections of the codex specified that a unit acts as a retinue. An example is the Demonhunter codex page 23. The Space marines codex is newer and dont't operate with retinue-rules. Your commander dont have to join the honour guard, he can join if he wants, and he can leave if he wants. So the honour guard can "protect" the commander if you choose to let him join the unit. (this is the same with the command squad in the SM-codex). It's a better rule which gives more flexibility.
As Tyfus said, the quotes you are referencing are fluff and fluff only. Fluff has no impact on the actual rules, and there is nothing in the rules that even hints at either squad being retinues for the characters. So while it would be awesome to have them count as retinues (a relic blade wielding Captain that can't be targeted individually in combat? sweet!), it is not meant to be.
That is what i was figuring. One reason why i keep trying to examine this rule is the fact that Space Marine commanders really seem to "lack" when fighting other leaders. I was hoping...(far fetched as it might be) that i could give my leader a little more time by having his retinue take the hits. Thanks guys for the quick reply.
Also do you guys see a need for Honor Guard squads or are they just a bling you can pull out against newer players?
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