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For many years the predator has been the mainstay tannk of many adeptus astartes armies in my LGS. Lasting as a viable choice through the 3 codexes and editions i've been playing marines for and still maintaining its popularity overall of the new shiny things. Do you use predators? How do you equip them? What are your experiences with them? How do they rack up against the other heavy support coices? I think we'll include baal predators in this discussion.
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I've tried the Heavy Bolter sponsons on it and I don't likes it. It has to constanyl be on the move to hit infantry and I lose the firepower on the move. The Lascannon sponsons work so much better as it has longer range and doesn't need to move as its targets are usually bigger and therefore can't hide behind terrain as easily. Just point, shoot and kill. As for the TL Lascannons as its primary weapon, it costs too much for something that will probably get blown to bits.
"Consider the Predator". Yeah.
He's indeed armored with faith, and I fear that's just not strong enough a protection sometimes. His tracks of obedience don't get him very far, and the three guns of zeal, duty and purity are quite expensive and mostly two of them will be too lazy to shoot.
I have tried the twin-linked lascannon / heavy bolter predator in 4th edition but always came back to my devastators. The predator's base cost now being lower, vehicles harder to destroy and mobility more important I have considered the predator in 5th edition.
But our battlefields feature a lot of terrain. The enemy can easily avoid stationary heavy weapons units or at least get good cover saves against their shooting. And a single hit may well destroy your main weapon or the whole tank. Its front armor is good, but it's still just a rhino from the side.
I don't want to elaborate on this very much. The main problem for me is that the predator best suits a gunline or a slowly advancing army. My lists are neither. They are all drop pods or fast bikes / speeders / transports. The latter of the two are good for mobile fire support. Speeders and attack bikes and those things will also easily hit their target where it hurts - maneuvering around cover, hitting weak armor parts, etc...
I can see the predator work in other army types, though, especially the classical predator destructor.
when i get more attack bikes i will be dropping my predator, it is just to flimsy vs my regular opponent of Tau. have i mentioned i hate railheads? and in other games it just doesnt perform and it makes a extremely expensive bullet sponge that goes boom quick.
i dont like it myself. my .02 isk
Last edited by Logan230; October 28th, 2009 at 03:14.
My predator is fully magnetized,so I'm able to have any combination of load outs. My preferred weapons load is: Autocannon, Hvy Bolter Sponsons, an HK, and sometimes a storm bolter. I nearly always bring this bad boy in, just for the sheer elite/infantry killing power.
It very true this guy needs to be planted somewhere, and not very mobile. However, I use it defensively, to guard against a flanking elite or infantry unit. This thing puts out 8 moderate to high STR shots a turn at 36" 2 more within 24" if the storm bolter is equiped. If it does its job well enough, I will move it once to cover a different angle around turn 2 or turn 3. Even then it'll fire its autocannon at something.
Protect its sides, and this tank is extremely deadly. Another great bonus is its versatility, using different load outs.
Well I got 2 Preds. ! has storm bolter, twin lascannons, and side las cannons. The other is HK missile, Twin lascannon, and side heavy bolters. in 3rd edition they were great and cheap too. Now with the 5th edition they just are a waste. They just can't stand up too other heavy tanks. Most of the time I take bikes and attack bike with multi-melta. Land speeders with multi-melta, assault squads with melta bombs, or dreadnoughts with twin lascannon.
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I liked the dakka Predator in 4th ed. where you could move 6" and fire all your guns.
I haven't used it in 5th yet as it has to stay stationary or lose much of its firepower.
Our boards usually have quite a lot of cover so you have to move a bit to get a good firing angle.
There are better heavy support units than the predator for most games although I think it might be usefull in low point games where your opponents might not expect you fielding a tank.....
Sure, the dakka pred was indeed the best in 4th edition, but warhammer has changed quite drammaticly. And new problems demand new solutions, I found mine in a predator with just a twin linked lascannon. At 105pts, it´s very cheap indeed, has reliable long-ranged firepower and is mobile!
I currently field two of these guys and they perform very well most of the time, stunning that anoying vindicator or blowing up rhinos. Sure, it wont do as much damage as attack bike/landspeeders with multi melta's do, but it is far more survivable since it wont need to get close and has front AV 13.
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The defensive weapon change has drastically limited the effectiveness of Space Marine tanks. What you've got isn't a main battle tank. It's a stationary artillery device, which is not the job that tanks should be doing. And it's not even a particularly powerful or cost effective artillery device.
Destructors are extremely cheap and worthwhile against any army that hates being shot at by heavy bolters. Tyranids, Orks, what have you. They'll have to sit still, but the fact that they're dirt cheap makes them worth it. Annihilators are much more expensive and proportionally less useful. They're similarly immobile, which makes them vulnerable.
The only advantage a Predator has over a Razorback is more guns (you have to stand still to take advantage of that) and higher front armour (which is bypassed very easily, since your goddamn tank is parked). So personally, I'd rather take Razorbacks. It's cheaper, it can move without losing the firepower it doesn't have and didn't pay for, it can shuttle troops around, and you can get much more of them.
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