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I couldn't believe it when I heard it, but the winner of the 'Ard Boyz finals in Chicago was an Imperial Guard player by the name of Darkwynn (I'm sure that's not his real name). They nicknamed him the "Leafblower". He beat everybody in 60min or less! Unbelievable! And the thing is, I don't even think his build is the best IG build. Here's his list:
2 Company Command Squads – 3 Plasma, Medic, and Powerfist in each, mounted in Chimeras. An Astropath and a Master of the Fleet.
Elite Daemonhunter Inquisitor - Terminator Armor, Psycannon, Force Weapon, and retinue (Mystics, Hierophant, Sage).
Psyker Battle Squad – in a Chimera
Infantry Platoon – 3 Squads in Chimeras with Heavy Weapons, Command with 4 Flamers in a Chimera
2 Special Weapons Squads – Flamers and Demo Charge, Meltaguns and Flamer.
Veteran Squads – Meltaguns and Shotguns in a Chimera. Meltaguns, Shotguns, and Demolitions.
2 Valkyries – Multiple Rocket Pods.
2 Medusas – Enclosed Crew Compartments. 10/2 Ordnance Blasts are obvious.
2 Hydras – 72” range twin-linked no Moving Fast saves Autocannons are obvious.
Manticore – d3 10/4 Ordnance Barrage Blasts.
That's the best list for 2500 I can imagine unless you specifically try to counter it with your own list, which you can't because you'd be wrecked by other armies.
Your back court gets lit up every turn with way to much Ordnance, he's faster than anything but DE or Eldar and he has more than enough Troops. DS and Outflanking fail hard against him so any strategy with that blows up.
The only way you can do anything is to come right at him and than he can gunline you apart, no matter what cover you have. It's so easy to pick off the opponents speed and just circle them.
It's a terribly boring list to play against, you have no options and the Mystics might straight up beat your army. Thanks for running a terrible event GW, no one can convince me Ard Boyz is competitive or a good idea.
it's a competition of codex loopholes
at least that's how I feel about it
Yeah sort of, I mean Nob Bikers and all that were fairly common.
It's mainly people say "Well the higher the points, the more you can take so you have no weaknesses and the game becomes all about tactics". A lot of the games tactics COME from knowing your weaknesses and trying to play around them, not just eliminating them with raw point values.
I feel the game is more tactical the less points you play, because you have to maximize what you have in a more meaningful way. I'll stick to GT's for competition.
I like the Ard Boyz because you can use some units that you normally wouldn't be able to in regular tournaments. The higher points allow you to try more different stuff. And at this point level, you still have to use a lot of strategy because your opponent will also have a lot more.
With that said, I must say that the Leafblower must be a great tactician. His list, while good, could be improved upon (making his wins all the more impressive). For chrissakes, powerfists on the CCS and force weapon for his Inq!?! That's another special weapons squad there. Besides 1 special weapon squad and a couple of melta vets, he doesn't have a whole lot that can reliably handle a Land Raider heavy list which would tear apart his medusas before they can get within range to fire. And those mystics can easily be avoided by deepstriking armies. Their average range is about 12" only. I use them all the time with my DH or IG army and the only time they've been useful is if the unit accidentally scatters inwards towards my Inq+mystics.
Yeah, his list is strong, but there are better...IG and others. That's why I'm impressed with how he did in the tourney.
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Show me a better list and I'll believe you. I don't see what he would have done with another SWS, he has nothing to put it in. He took the Force Weapon because it apparently ignores Eternal Warrior? Dunno about that but that's his words.
Pfist isn't all that bad, I mean the thing WILL get charged most games, might as well take Pfist you can't pick out in 2500.
On the other hand, this list shows great balance and complementary composition. Instead of most folks trying to "one trick pony" their way through a whole force organization chart, his list has some range, some heavy hitters, some surgical stuff, some speed, and plenty of dudes on foot. I don't know if I would say his list isn't that good, because it's just so well-rounded (as aforementioned by the Prince of Excess).
However, why all the hate? Would Hard Boyz tournaments be less Hard if they were played at 2000 points? I think his list demonstrates the importance of 2500: You can do some of everything, and counter all the "one trick pony" armies. I have never played in a Hard Boyz tournament, so I don't know what I would expect, but this list seems to go after the intent of the larger game size.
If Nob Bikerz or double-lash armies or drop pod Salamanders or Nidzilla had won, would anyone have been surprised? I'm guessing IG shocked a few folks. Good for this guy...
It's more of a personal thing with me, my 2000 games have always been less intriguing than my 1500-1750. An 'Ard Boyz list is a lower points list where you just take 3 of everything that works. I just don't buy the "Well we both have everything so it's the ultimate tactical battle" argument.
The Leafblower list is the only AB list I've seen that I approve of. It has a lot of originality, is very playable and reminds me of a list someone would play at lower points. It seems to take composition in mind, even though it doesn't exist in AB scoring.
Now it is insanely overpowered but that's because IG gets kind of insane at high points because you can take so many tanks via squads and your Fast Attack are as good as a lot of armies Heavy Support. He did run with that but, it just hasn't upset me as much as the lists with like 3 LRCs, 3 Assault Termies squads, 3 Bike Squads etc.
Wow this is surprising, just a purely balanced list beating out all the other all tank, or huge horde armies is a great sight. any army that has an inquisitor in it is okay in my book.
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