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...But only if the troops you get out of it as far as the Space Marine side goes are actually useful. I am fascinated with the Dark Angels Deathwing, so I am going to try and make a Dark Angels army.
I was wondering if buying AoBR would be a good place to start on this quest, or if maybe a battleforce of space marines is a better bet.
If it matters, I have a friend who wants to get into 40k and might split the cost of AoBR with me.
Also, I may as well use this opportunity to post my other question: How does one turn the AoBR (or, if it is the better choice, the battleforce) into a good Dark Angels army?
well i started out with an AOBR kit. but that said i had no models whatso ever. so if you are JUST starting, then go for the AOBR. the battlechest is good, but the AOBR comes with a smaller version of the rule book and everything else you need to start playing.
you can consider the battlechest when you want to bulk your forces.Also the models from AOBR are easier to paint if you are a beginner.(like me)
Also answering you second Q. the AOBR marines are all unmarked, they do come with the DA transfer. if you are referring to cloakes, then you might have to buy som greenstuff and sculpt it yourself
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if your into da this is the perfect place to get adivce on army composition. if there's anywhere else better then im a grots uncle.
tbh i think da are the best army out there good unit choices , strong special characters and some dam good fluff as well.
id advise getting the da codex first before you go for your marines that way you can plan what you are going to do in advance.
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I don't think AOBR is a good place for you to start for a DW army. You'll only get 5 termies and a Dread - all other models you will either be stuck with or forced to sell/trade.
Also, if you are just starting out, DW is a very hard army to use. It takes a very skilled player to even be competitve, let alone win with a DW army.
You could play a regular DA army with the stuff you get and than slowly build up to DW, while also having a regular army. That would give you a two armies to field for more variety.
As others have said DW is a very hard army to do well with. It's not very competitive even if you're a good player and the new SW Codex Wolf Guard Army overshadows it in every way.
Still AoBR is a solid buy, nothing in it is bad and the models look very nice.
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Even if all you want are the Space Marines minis it's still a grand deal... $50 of Terminators, $40 of Dreadnought, $35 of Tacticals, and a $15 Captain for $75... plus all those Ork minis and the rulebook etc.
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I brought the Ravenwing box set not so long ago, its a very good deal. Got six bikes, an attack bike, and a land speeder plus a pile of Dark angel accessories. Works out loads cheaper than buying individual kits.
Assault on black reach is excellent value if you are just starting out, but there are a couple of niggles if you're very picky. The dreadnought power plant exhausts are tiny compared to a normal dred, and all the tacticals have the tact squad arrow insignia proud on their shoulder pads. Annoying if you've got a pile of tacticals WITHOUT this already. The terminators, and all the orcs, are excellent. But because the models are minimum number of parts for snap fit or ease of assembly, You wont find it as easy to convert them to Dark angels.
You can still get GW deathwing terminators and Dark angels tacticals, might be worth looking at.
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AoBR is solid for Dark Angels, cheap Termies and Dreads are awesome.
I wouldn't recommend starting DA at the moment, the book is outdated and currently Codex: SM and SW can do anything DA can, only better. If you want a Termie army, go SW, if you want bikes or normal marines, go SM. The only reason I'd use the DA book is for multi-wing, mixing RW and DW together. It's a tricky army, but a lot of fun to play.
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To clarify, I didn't mean that I would only be using Deathwing, just that their fluff sounds awesomely awesome and because of this fact I want to have some of them in an army. I will probably have on the whole a "regular" DA army in the end. Actually the ravenwing models are cool too, I may take some of them as well.
Some of you said that the Dark Angels conversion kits will not work so well with these guys? Is that true? If so, it is a bit of a bummer...
Either way, I am probably going to get the set if only because it would be a good deal even if it just came with the dreadnought and the terminators.
no conversion kits work with AOBR because they're single piece plastic models
in the conversion kits they give you a new space marine torso fronts and you use space marine torso backs and legs, etc. to make a dark angels marine
because the AOBR marines dont have seperate legs or torso halfs or heads the only conversions you can do with them are physical conversions such as gluing or molding cloaks onto them aswell as applying the DA paint scheme to them despite not having robes
but also that's only 1 tactical squad without robes, your final army will have likely 30 tactical marines give or take so it wouldn't be out of the ordinary for each squad to have 3 or 4 unrobed men