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Hey guys, haven't been on for a while - but i had a brainwave and need your opinions...
I've been getting pretty sick of painting marines like salamanders (not quite, but the multiple layers of snot green is infuriating!) so I randomly painted a tactical marine as an ultramarine. I went pretty well actually for a first effort. I then got thinking, why not have units from multiple chapters in my army?
So far i've got 6 assault marines done as salamanders, as well as two tacticals and a sergeant with a trusty powerfist along with a landspeeder storm in salamander colours.
I essentiall have two black reach boxes, as well as 3 vindicators, 10 scouts, 12 assaultmarines and 5 more tactical ones as well as the SM commander box.
okay, thats the background info outta the way here's my query(ies):
Is it okay to use a force made up of multiple chapters?
Which would you recommend? how many?
another thing i thought of - is it okay for me to get a box of space wolf termies and paint them as such, but use them as normal termies? or do the models not allow you to build a codex SM army legal unit? I looked at the box today and it looked like a couple of assault termies with a couple of shooty one?!
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I don't see why not. There are several mentions in the codex of different chapters working together to defeat a deadly foe.
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I had the same idea when I played chaos, except that each unit would contain a mix of traitors from different chapters. I never got around to it, unfortunately, but I would like to see it done.
It makes sense from a fluff standpoint, so you don't need to worry about that.
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I don’t see any issues. Both Ultramarines and Salamanders use the same codex. And it should be also tournament legal, although you may get fewer points for the uniform look and feel, but even that will depend on how the organizers judge your army.
Now, Space Wolves are a different deal. They have their own codex and it will be hard to pull this out on a GW tournament. For casual play or store tournaments, you should be able to use the “count as” rule and use the Codex: Space Marines rules.
I dont know if SW Terminators would allow enough Close Combat Weapons or shooty weapons to field either Terminator squad from the SW codex, i like the idea, but you might need to aquire more of either weapon set to make it legal for the SM codex.
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All units would ofcourse be taken as they are in Codex Spacemarines for such army, but other than that it'd be legal..
I quite like the idea and in fact I dont have Sternguards for my army, instead I have a squad of Mentor Legion (who in old fluff helped other imperial forces with fancy bolters, but that were kinda killed in new fluff in SM codex v5) and working on a Deathwatch killteam with swapable arms to make a second squad or two that can be used both as sternguard, vanguard and command squads. Deathwatch are perfect as sternguard imho as their bolters already have shot-selectors =)
I think however that there should be a good reason for including a squad from a different chapter.. If I did an ultramarines for instance army I would for sure include a squad or two from the Genesis Chapter who "can be counted upon to fight at the Ultramarines' side without hesitation." (Lexicanum)
If you're doing the army for a specific time during the 40k history I see nothing wrong with adding a squad of another chapter with whom they crusaded.
Well, Space Marines kind of think it is less of an honor when fighting among brethren from other chapters because they should be dealing with whatever threat they are facing without any help. But there are, of course, dire times when two or even more chapters fight alongside each other. As such it is not a problem to field a force with multiple paint schemes.
If you want units comprised of Space Marines from several different chapters, though, instead of at least having each unit in its entirety clearly from one chapter, it will be a little more complicated to explain. But it's still possible. I could imagine several Space Marines from different chapters being cut off from the Imperial frontline in a major battle. And from there they may have to fight together without reinforcements for years or even decades. It may well be that a lone Ultramarine whose squad has been killed might reinforce an Imperial Fists squad, for example...
I had a similar background in mind long ago, I wanted to make something like the Red Corsairs on the loyal side. But it does require some really, really messed-up background and I've decided not to take it that far.
If you're planning to do something like having different squads painted to represent a Chapter which excels in that squad's role (i.e White Scars Bikers and Land Speeders, Ultramarines Tac Squads, Salamanders TH/SS Termies etc etc) it could work, and it needn't be particularly unfluffy either. If you're going to be doing each individual model from a different Chapter it'll take ages and could throw up some serious problems when it comes to squad markings and whatnot.
The SW Termies boxed set has, if I recall correctly (mine's at home), 3 Powerfists, a Power Sword, a Frost Axe (could pass for a power axe easily enough), 4 Storm Bolters, 4 Thunder Hammers, 2 Chainfists, 4 Storm Shields, 4 pairs of Wolf Claws (Lightning Claws, basically), 5 Termies, a Heavy Flamer and an Assault Cannon... so you could quite easily squeeze out a shooty Terminator squad provided you give one of them a Chainfist, or an Assault Squad with 4 sets of one load-out and one of the other.