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ok my friend has had enough of playing tau so hes switching to necrons. He says hes going to be using monoliths and the nightbringer. His logic to this is bring big things so that he has less for PO which is an advantage for him..... I dont understand his logic much but should i be scared of a necron army or should it be an easy win.
The more big stuff a necron player brings the easier he is to beat. Just kill the small necrons and he'll phase out.
I think we are on even grounds if we play against them without a c'tan. But if he should use one, it will be a challenge to our knights.
Necrons are, bar none, the easiest opponent for GKs to defeat. We outshoot them (most of their army is rapid-fire, we got 24" all the time), and we out-assault them (duh!). As stated earlier, the more points the 'crons spend on worthless crap like C'Tan and Monoliths, the easier it is to phase them out.
No matter what the mission is, aim for phase out. Attack "Necron" models ONLY, all the time. Phase-out is a guaranteed victory.
Ignore the C'Tan. They're slow and pokey, forget about them.
Ignore any monoliths. They're not deadly to you. The more 'crons you knock down, the more the 'cron general will have to use the 'liths to defensively TP 'cron units in attempts to get more WBB rolls. And a 'lith that is TPing can't shoot (much) at you. It's either one or the other.
Seriously, beating Necrons with GKs is easy-peasey. I have never lost to them. Ever. Not even when I was just starting out.
ninjabackhand: point and click, again, really? even after i give you an military term "shock tactic" you still call it point and click.
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Your opponent's logic is indeed backwards. As a Necron player, I can tell you: reducing the number of "necron" models will HURT him, not help. It just means you have to chew through fewer of them to get phase out. If he insists, then just smile and be prepared to teach him a lesson.
What's your typical list look like? That will help here. Do you use land raiders? A couple of twin-linked lascannon shots can ruin his day, if his monoliths get out in the open.
Do you have inducted IG? If so, bring some snipers. C'Tan hate snipers. Also, bring anything, ANYTHING with templates. Necrons hate templates, especially scarabs. Try to mount up as much as you can. Mech armies are tough for Necrons to deal with.
But yeah, the "big" stuff isn't as bad as it looks on paper. The Monolith is more of a defensive vehicle than offensive. A mobile opponent should be able to avoid it with ease. The Deceiver is scary, but only if he gets into close combat. Most of his other abilities count on an opponent's poor leadership to work. Against Tau Fire Warriors, that's one thing, but you've got fearless Grey Knights! Do you have terminators? A GK Grand Master? If so, hit him with that. A force weapon can be scary to C'Tan as well.
Watch out for destroyers. Very dangerous, those.
Overall, though, the Necrons are at their best when they are grouped together, supporting each other. Anything, and I mean ANYTHING that strays from the herd can be picked off pretty easily, except for maybe the destroyers. Thus, late-game turns in objective-based missions will be easier for you, as the Necron player is likely spread out, trying to cover two or more objectives at once, which makes it easier for you to concentrate on single units.
well he has 1000 points so im going to run something like 2 GK squads BC maybe with termies, LR, and dreadnought, but yeh i didnt think hes logic was right
Using the night bringer and 1 monolith in a 1000 point games is asking to lose. Those two models together sum up almost 600 points!!! G
Given minimum troop choice that leaves 20 warriors with only 45 points to spend. Assuming he buys 2 more warriors for a total of 22 you need only kill 17 models to win. Focus fire his warriors and use Str8+ and power weapons on them. He doesn't have enough points left in a 1000 point game to field a lord with an orb so you will put them down and they will stay down.
If you can get into close combat with Necron Warriors, you have won the game. Just drive a Land Raider directly at your opponent's infantry, and you will win.
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Last edited by squall14; December 12th, 2009 at 08:54. Reason: see above
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So, technicalities aside, I played a Necron army as my first true battle against someone else (the rest were just my friend). Anyways, I don't really use all the tactica and I don't really even have all the units I want to make a 1000 pt game and I still beat him. By the skin of my teeth, but I did beat him (says the store management). I am a new player of w40k and I played an opponent who has played many more than I. I think it would have been no contest if I knew my strategies and I knew that I could just focus on his "Necrons" and he would phase out. I didn't know this until the middle of the game.
I was intimidated by his Monolith, but halfway through, I got kind of empathetic towards it, I didn't care about it. Just move in the right directions and you don't have to worry about him. One piece of advice I could really give since I made the mistake myself is to NOT use a callidous assassin. I did... I did not realize all Ld of Necrons are extremely high which made my Neural Shredder useless.
Anyways, it may be fun for him to change armies, but it will be extremely fun for you!