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Out of interest what do you guys think about the Leman Russ Vanquisher? have any of you played with one?. Oh and would putting pask in one help effectiveness at all?
Thanks in advance!
I got one. It works great. It has range and it can be used as a heavy tank puncher. Pask may make it effective but he cost a lot of points. So i don't use him.
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I've used a Vanquisher to good effect against one of my regular opponents. However, the following thoughts should be caveated with the fact that we're both pretty casual players, and this may well not work at tournament-level.
I use: Vanquisher, hull Lascannon, Pask, and sometimes Camo Netting.
-The latter is quite an expensive upgrade, but there's a lot of cover saves in 5th Ed, and especially if you can park your rear armour against some terrain and screen with infantry, AV13 and 14 become VERY hard to crack.
-Against IG and Marines I've normally made my points back by taking out a couple of vehicles, but I've always been happy with the way that it controls the game. (i.e. it forces my opponent to react to it, either through manoeuvre or through making it the target of most of his firepower). I guess this would work against CSM equally, and possibly the other Imperial factions.
-Against other armies I'd be more reluctant to recommend it. Orks, Tau and Eldar don't tend to field as much truly *heavy* armour, and you'd be better served with either templates or rate of fire; Necrons have special rules which negate the main strength of the Vanquisher cannon. Nids rely on their Monstrous Creatures, and S8/S9 isn't high enough - you'd be better off with a Demolisher.
I use one with a hull las for swatting tanks if i feel like it. It's a good option should i forget my vendettas, or are facing a land raider horde
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Back two 'Dexes ago I used one, but won't with the new 'Dex.
In an avg 6 turn game you are going to hit only 3 times with the main cannon, if you don't get killed first. Multiple shots are much better in 5th ed. If you want to take out Vehicles you are better off taking an Exterminator with or without PASK, Vendettas or Chimelta Squads for AV 14. A one shot BS3 main weapon is not worth it IMO. I would pick a Demolisher over a Vanquisher any day.
The other 'downgrade' Vanquishers got with the latest codex is that they lost the ordnance blast ammo that made them multipurpose in the past.
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I'd say it is the worst variant out there. 1 shot, it's BS isn't doing it any favors, and you have so many better options for taking down armor it is never needed.
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If you're looking to spend a little more on this tank, as already stated camo netting + pask + leman russ armour in cover = amazing durablility.
I would NEVER take it as my only Russ. But as part of a wider, balanced force, it adds a useful, if not vital, capability to the mix.
Running Pask seems crazy, for 40 more points you could have a pair of vendettas which bring in 6(!) twin linked lascannons. These would wipe the floor with Pask's vanquisher against light vehicles and the odds still win out quite handily against tough AV14 vehicles.
If you are looking for durability and line holding ability against a mass of armour then you'd be better off getting a platoon and packing it out with lascannon teams. Remember the CCS, PCS and any veteran squads can all form veteran weapon teams who also get the advantage of BS4 and with a lot of BS3 and BS4 shots going off you don't need to place all your hopes on one or two shots going well. Same thing applies with light targets too, the Lascannons can really take advantage of their volume of fire when their primary targets are dead and you use them on lighter armour.