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Ok, they both cost the same points but which would you rather have: Furioso Dreadnought or DC Dreadnought?
Furioso (Elites): has Front AV 13, WS6 and the Red Thirst
DC (Troops): has Front AV 12, 1 less WS, 1 more attack, Rage, Fleet, Furious Charge, and ignores "crew shaken" and "crew stunned" results. Can only include one DC Dread for every 5 DC in the army.
This post only takes into account a standard Furioso. The Furioso Librarian is not to be considered.
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It's a tough call, to be honest.
With the DC dread you get an extra attack and all the charging bonus that come with being insane. Unfortunately, you also have rage, which limits their effectiveness unless you stick 'em in a stormraven.
On the other hand, Furiosos have that extra armor.
Personally I feel like the DC dread is best used in a blood claws form, where that extra attack (leading to 5 attacks on the charge) goes all that much farther towards letting you rip up a whole unit.
I like Furiosos for their Frag Cannon and Librarian forms (and yes, you said no Libby dreads, but they are a valid and effective way of running Furiosos), and their standard form isn't bad for vehicle/walker hunting either. The Frag Cannon is awesome, the ability to throw down 3 templates on a unit from a single dreadnought is just too much fun, especially since 2 of those templates, at str 6, are going to be wounding on 2+s most of the time. While it doesn't have an AP value, between it and the heavy flamer even MEQs should be taking a ton of wounds.
And the Librarian Dreadnought is awesome for every reason you can think of.
Long story short, they serve different roles in my mind. DC dreads are horde shredding (especially with their ignoring 1s and 2s on the vehicle damage chart, which means even the infantry that can touch them need incredible luck) while Furiosos are more specialized depending on what you want them to do. Want them to make nice with a bunch of killa kans? Standard form. Want them to turn a unit into sushi using templates? Frag Cannon. Want them to do any number of awesome things depending on what powers you pick? Librarian.
Furioso by far.
Having a single DC dread storming at the enemy while the rest of my army stays back (I run a mobile firebase) just wont do.
For me Blood Talons are the way to go, slaughter infantry once it gets close. Yes you might say it gets destroyed fast, but your frag cannon gets destroyed just as fast, so no change really.
Also AV13 means alot, both range AT gears and powerfists have much more trouble downing you and no krak grenades can harm you either.
I guess in an assault oriented BA lists (I suppose most are) the DC dread can be more useful with fleet and tanks blocking their rage-movement.
See the thing is that in my BA I find that the 4+ assault squads i'm running, plus backup from termies/van g./sang g./honour g./whatever takes care of all of my opponents infantry just fine. If I bring a dread he's probably not going to get tasked with just stampeding around after infantry units with his blood talons. He's going to be seeking out the heavy hitters and taking them down a few notches, something my fragile scoring assault squads would be reticent to do for fear of too many casualties. For this reason I prefer the Furioso for its greater survivability and greater degree of options.
Oh ya, and as nice as DC dreads are for their cost, the Rage really is a pain in the arse.
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I like furiosos, but why settle? Why not 3 DC dreads and 3 furiosos? As a matter of fact, I faced just that and 20 Death Company marines in a 2500pt game just recently. They are both probably the nastiest dreads other than soulgrinders that's out there.
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furioso for the WS6 and higher frontal armor, i usually give my dreads extra armor anyway and really a crew shaken result doesn't hamper you too much
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The Rage is what cinches it for me. A Dreadnought is best applied where it's most suited. I don't want my Dread rampaging off to the other side of the board when I need it here. I have the same problem with Death Company, but they're more multi-purpose.
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