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after reading thru the rules it seems like i can face my death company or any model with rage away from all enemy models and have complete controll over them. Rage says you have to move towards the nears "visable" model. But according to the LOS rules a models eye is determinded by its eyes. Assaultes are declared and i dont think require LOS. As for moment it says your models can face any direction with out effecting their moment.
I know this is not how its suppose to work, but using RAW does it?
No this would not work. Drawing Line of Sight is done for a model's vantage point but infantry and walkers and the like have a 360-degree arc to their Line of Sight. It doesn't matter which direction they're facing, you get down to their level for LOS but their modelled eyes or sensors or whatever make no difference aside from the height of the model. The only directionality that matters is with vehicle weapons which have physical limitations to their LOS. The only difference might be for an immobilized or stunned walker, but their immobilized or stunned so Rage hardly matters for movement purposes.
page 16 of the rulebook says differently. where does the 360 degree refrence come from? Someone else said that at my local store but was unable to produce proof.
Thanks I posted in the rules section.
Seriously I wouldn't like you if you tried to pull this off against me.
You trace line of sight from the eyes of the models, but you ignore models in the unit you're firing from, so everyone can watch through the back of their head.. Just like that freak in Harry Potter.. This should suffice for a "NO".
"Oh that's weird, all my Death Company is staring straight down.. They can't see anything! WIN!" - this had just been too silly in the first place for me to accept..
lol.. your going to get very few players that wish to play you if you try someting like this. It may even be RAW, but not at all in the spirit of the game..
First of all how are you going to determine the arc of each models eyes from right to left. Its a judgement call..
Death company charging backwards across the field...lol... you might as well say they they don't have thier eyes open.. that would negate the whole rage rule.
Just be smart of their placement, use a transport, and make your opponent be smarter in trying to negate them. Don't worry about abusing the rules.
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Yes, the real issue with this is that outside of WYSIWYG for gear and such, non-vehicular models are not supposed to impact gameplay with how they are configured. I.E. you can't use huge reaching scything talons to get into assault faster, only the base matters; you can't shoot at big banners people are waving around; you don't measure to the end of the big protruding lascannon someone is carrying around, etc.
I'm sure one of the rules-sages will be able to point you to a more accurate ruling than I could though, so hopefully your other thread will be fruitful.
I agree that this would not make people happy and is a far from what was intended. BUT that doesnt change the fact that as far i have found in the rules it is very legal.
I am not asking is this fair, or would you play someone who did this i am asking is it legal and am i correct? I checked the movement phase that was pointed out earlier. It says you can change the models to face their target during the shooting phase so not to worry about heir facing at the end of movement. If they had eyes in the back of their head that disclaimer would not be needed.
I already answered with pseudo-RAW though it might've been a bit hidden, I doubt you'll find a satisfactory definite proof.
1. You draw line of sight from the eye (or equivalent?) of the model.
2. You ignore models in the same unit.
3. A model is always part of it's own unit.
4. Models can draw line of sight through the back of their head.
Last edited by LastDinosaur; May 4th, 2010 at 17:22.