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Hey guys, I'm in serious trouble here. I'll be playing against a professor at my local college within the next 2 weeks and he runs a kan wall which i have very little experience with.
my list as is at 1500pts
2 assualt squad, flamer, meltagun, powerfist, +5 men
assualt squad, flamer, meltagun, +5 men
2 sanguinary priest, jump pack
baal pred with firestorm
2 predator with side las cannons
Please note that I cant change my list anymore and we are going to be playing on a 4x4 board.
What i know he is running are;
Big mek (maybe 2)
As of right now, he's the top player in our store.
My initial plan was to deepstrike with Dante with an assualt squad, as he doesnt scatter and either burn the lootas or kill the wagon, but then he would get charged and possibly wipe. I was also thinking of outflanking withe the baal.
Any help strategy is much appreciated.
What else does he run? Lots of boyz on foot? In trucks? Grotz?
Swap out the Flamers in your assault squads for Melta guns. This should give you alittle extra hurt aggainst armour. A Fusion piston or Combi Melta on the Serge wouldn't be a bad idea.
A Couple of Furioso's will give his Kans pause for thought.
Other than that with Melta and two Predators with Lascannons in your list you should be alright against him. Putting any more anti tank against him would leave you hoard hurting ability sorely diminished. I'm not sure you need to Deep Strike with Dante. You can get into position and get the charge easily enough by starting the game on the board. If you really want some cheap hoard killing for killing lootas take a Whirlwind or a 5 man assault squad with a Flamer in a Drop pod.
Thanks for the fast reply. I know he is mechanized and should be taking some deff dreads. unfortunately, the last time i saw his list was when he was at 1000pts. Now we are playing at 1500pts. He might have some of those koptas and some boys
Okay.. I'd probably do something like this.
- I don't think you should have that much trouble downing the killa kans when you have two AC/LC predators.. Have a fair bit of distance between them, and preferably out of sight from the Lootas (easier said than done, but you can move and shoot and he can't, at least get yourself a coversave always)
- The kans will have to spend some time to get across the table. Aim at the wagons first, but don't bother if you can't get a shot at their side armor.
- Even if BA is an assault army by nature you're still alot shootier than Orks.. Don't just storm the assault squad against the enemy, and you definetly shouldn't let them get the charge on you.
- I wouldn't DS Dante, even if the Lootas are painful they're just not worth such a massive sacrifice.
-Always- move the Baal at least 7 inches before firing the flame cannon. Actually depending on the setup you might be able to rush this one on his lootas.. Use the scout move to close in 18 inches and then move 12 and flame away, there shouldn't be anywhere for him to hide if he's the one to set up first.
Not sure what you mean when you say you can't change the list. But giving each squad a flamer and a meltagun is just less efficient than giving one squad 2 flamers and one squad 2 meltaguns, so change this if you're allowed to.
This was very general tips, maybe a bit too general, but his list is rather vaguely outlined. If you learn more about it please do tell us as he might have kept some nasty things up the sleeves.
Thanks for the reply. the reason why I said I can't really change the list a bit is because he's actually my next league opponent at my local store. We are doing an escalation league starting from 1000 pts and going all the way to 2000 pts at 250 intervals. The only thing we can change from one interval to the other is the dedicated transport, number of men in the squad, and war gear. We turn in our army list a few days after we know who our next opponent is. Technically I can still change my list a bit since I haven't gotten a confirmation on it being validated yet.
I see what you're trying to say with the meltagun and flamers and after looking back i sorta agree with what you said. hopefully I can still change the list.
As for what he's really running, All I know is that he's using a mechanized kan wall and when I saw him play at 1000pts, he had 2 wagons, a big mek, koptas, and deff dreads, with some lootas. As for what he added with 500 more points, I'm not too sure since we aren't allowed to see each other's list until the day of our match which is now thursday of next week.
My first opponent for this league was also a kan wall orks list but with 60 boys. I barely won when i roll to end the game. If it had continued I would had definitely lost that game. And from what i Understand, a Mechanized kan wall is much more scarier then a horde kan wall.
I'm sorry I can't really provide much information but as of right now we have 4 people tied for 1st place, (including me) but if we were to look at it points wise, hes the number 1 player right now.
The other thing I know is that his first opponent was a BA player and he dominated him. I'm hoping that he would get a bit cocky due to the reasons that the BA player just started 2 months ago and he play BA like regular space marines.
Just a quick question, since I'm most likely to initiate a charge against him with the furious charge rule, should i use my str5 on the assault marines on his kans and hope to glance him with a bunch of immobilise or should I just use the krak grenade when damaging him?
I heard that he will be using two big mek with 2 kustom force fields. And I realised how much of a pain a battle wagon is and he took two at 1,000pts.
But again, thanks for teh replies and strategies. they are very much appreciated
I would avoid assaulting Kans if i were you. You still need to be lucky to hurt them on a Glacing hit and if you fail to kill them you'll be bogged down for ever. If you have to though just hit them with your multiple str5 attacks. You're hitting Kans on 3's in comabt where as Krak Grenades will only hit on 6's..... Next turn when you're down to str4 you'll have to use your grenades.
Ignore the Battle Waggons unless you can get a clean shot on their Side Armour. AV14 is just too tough to take out reliably at range.
Thanks for the reply Borak.
I play test my army against the owner of the store, now take note that his version of the ork army im playing against isn't the same due to the fact that it will give me some illegal advantages within this league, but he has accidently blurted out some advice that I really need to take into consideration.
From what I now understand is that none of the ork player in the league had taken any lootas at 1,250pt, but they did take burna boys.
I didn't realized it until he assaulted me that they were power weapons if they didn't shoot.
I tested out the theory of massive mobbing his kans and dreads and then hopefully jumping back out in consolidate. It looked good on paper but man, even with furious charge and power fist, it didn't worked out as plan. I now understand what you meant by being bogged down forever. =P
Grotzookas are nasty, 3 kans got 17 wounds on 1 squad of assault marines. If not for feel no pain from the priest, I would had lost 7 guys instead of just 4.
the Koptas were annoying as they immobilized and stunned it first turn, and killed it second turn.
Overall I made some mistakes which hopefully I will remember not to do against my opponent but overall, I got wiped, both his wagon was alive, his burna boys, both big meks, 1 death dread, and 1 kan
Now from what I now know is that my opponent shouldl be taking burna boys (exact number I'm not sure), 2 big meks, a nob squad with a battle wagon as a dedicated, 2 death dreads, maybe 3 choptas, about 30 boyz, 1 battle wagon, I believe 6 killer kans. Keep in mind that I can't know my opponent's list and this is just speculations.
But yeah, killer kan wall list are mean.