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I am new to LO and was wondering if i could have some help with new themed army idea i had.
I chosen to base my army off of the Roman-Catholic Church.
They are a chapter based hell bent(nice humor if i do say so myself) on bringing justice to the enemies of the God-Emperor in glorious close combat and have decided to use the BT rules as a base.
The units and characters will be named after Patron saints. Ex: my chaplin is called Father Tyro after a Roman General who converted to Christianity and was told by his superiories to revert back to being a paegan. he decided to burn down a temple instead.
Their color scheme is thus:
white trim on the shoulder pads
white knee pads
red gore weapon casings
the quick and dirty background:
They were formed to purge the Vatica sytem of a Daemon king following a warp storm. the quickly took the smaller planets before decending upon Vatica VI. There they faced the king, a great beast of Khorne. it took many hundred marines and all of their librarians and have since had a mutation not allowing them to develop massive psychic powers.
Among this time a great man, Latoya, rose to conquer the beast. On the eve of the titantic battle, he was visited by the Emperor in a vision. In a radiant halo he spoke to Latoya. he took Latoya's vision away so he would not be blinded by the corruption in the Imperium and granted him greater strength and skill with sword.
After liberating the world they went on to free the Galen sector from the clutches of a collections of Ork empires and WAAAAAGHs. they have most recently succesfully completed crusade agaisnt Dark Eldar raiders.
(if some of this is incoherant it is because it is currently 12 in the morning, i also know i haven't come up with a location of the sytem, but that is to come)
I was wondering if i could possibly have some help with name and a chapter symbol
I was hoping to somehow incorperate the word Exorcist into it (hence the priest habits)
Try this page for many Latin names, prefixes, regions, islands, lakes, etc. Scroll down to the bottom for all the links. This should get you a lot of names to work with, not to mention a host of links to RC church names and rites.
Free Dictionary- Latin
There is a Catholic order of priests that does nothing but excorcisms but i can't remember its name. I do know that it is compromised of mainly Jesuit preists and their cassock or robe is black with a black sash wrapped around the waist that hangs on the right side. The excorcist order is obscure order that has almost died out due to the strain of doing excorcisms (a priest can only do 3 in his lifetime then is permently retired). if i remember it I will re-post with it, but here is some info i thought you might like.
Here is the first prayer in the "Catholic Prayer of Excorcism"translated into englishExorcizo te, omnis spiritus immunde, in nomine Dei (X) Patris omnipotentis, et in noimine Jesu (X) Christi Filii ejus, Domini et Judicis nostri, et in virtute Spiritus (X) Sancti, ut descedas ab hoc plasmate Dei (name), quod Dominus noster ad templum sanctum suum vocare dignatus est, ut fiat templum Dei vivi, et Spiritus Sanctus habitet in eo. Per eumdem Christum Dominum nostrum, qui venturus est judicare vivos et mortuos, et saeculum per ignem.The (X) ques the sign of the cross. Maybe you could call you chapter Exorcizo te = I excorcise you. You could call them the "Jesuit Excocizo" or Benedictine, Legionaires of Christ is another catholic order of priests. I will repost if I think of more names.I exorcise thee, every unclean spirit, in the name of God (X) the Father Almighty, and in the name of Jesus (X) Christ, His Son, our Lord and Judge, and in the power of the Holy Spirit, that thou depart from this creature of God, (persons' name) which our Lord hath designed to call unto His holy temple, that it may be made the temple of the living God, and that the Holy Spirit (X) may dwell therein. Through the same Christ our Lord, who shall come to judge the living and the dead, and the world by fire.
As for a symbol that just depends on how elaborate you want to get. You could go from the simple cross or alpha and omega or eternity and trinity or HolySpirit or angel and Holy Spirit . There are numerous symbols the oldest date back to the early christians hiding in the catacombs when they were persecuted by the Roman Empire. Here is something a little more macabre a skull and chalice . Or maybe something that is already part of WH (at least you can order it as a bit) a chalice heres another chalice .
The Catholic Church has a whole slew of things that could be used for WH here are a few liinks that might help.
Catholic Saints etc.
There are numerous symbols and history on these sites that you could use for your army hopefully I helped.
Thanks to Adoph Horn and Wolfraider. the websites have been a lot of help.
I think im going to go with a simple white cross as the symbol, as i can also depict it as cross swords, hence the close-combat nature of the order. im still on the fence about a name, but im thinking along the lines as the legionaires of whatever God-Emperor is in Latin.
Latoya Jackson? :)
Hrm, anyway, I think you will have a rough time making them original.
The first thing you could to is to avoid crosses as chapter symbol. Black and white space marines with crosses aren't much different from white and black space marines with crosses... Especially since you want to use Black Templar rules.
Secondly, there is already a chapter called Exorcists. They are pretty old by now but they were part of the Badab war, a pretty major thing in Rouge Trader, so you never know if GW might resurrect them.
If you choose to ignore my advice (at your own peril!) you could use a different colour for the crosses. Griffon Games makes a series of cross-decals aimed at 28mm miniatures, (it's pretty transparent that they're for space marines :) check out the red ones: Red Templar Decals.
Red crosses still work pretty good with a black/white colour scheme. USD8.50 gives you about a hundred regular crosses, some more with skulls on them and a few large ones for vehicles. Enough for a whole army. Here a picture of the black crosses on a marine from a review on the Forge.
I'd like to mention that I've never used them myself, I came across the site looking for custom transfers (that I haven't tried yet either).
You could of course also get some custom transfers, that's what I'd like to do, but it's a bit expensive. It would cost probably USD40 (unless you can draw vector graphics yourself...) for a 8x10" page of decals.
There's another company (Brunel Models) that I know of that takes 27 australian $ for an A4 page, but I suspect griffon games might have better quality. If you live in Australia that might be the best choice though.
There are probably more companies that I don't know of, so if somebody has a link PLEASE post it! I want as many choices as I can when the time comes to order my decals :)
This post is getting out of hand... :) I just want to point put that chalices is a pretty good option too, there are sister of battletransfers with a burning chalice for example. Adolph's cross variation is possible to do by hand too. Or if you're really lazy, you could just use upside-down Ultramarine symbols as omegas :)
Some more things came to mind while at work ..... and reading these posts. The cross is pretty generic but it is easy and having to do you whole army with the decal you probably want something easy but not to lame. So let me see if I got this straight something easy, but not generic, distinct, but not to complex, Roman-Catholic, and close combat oriented? Sweetness! hows about this.... tridentI know it represents the EVIL ONE but you could use it to mean .... trident = close combat weapon three tips = Trinity = Catholic ideals. So it could be easy and Catholic. Or you could use something decidely Roman Empire. Considering that the Legionaire of the Roman Empire carried 2 weapons (spear & and a gladius or cinqueada) you could use something as simple as the symbol on their shield . Or something that is Roman and really simple and already a part of WH the laurel wreath .The staff of Poseidon (in Greece); the staff of Neptune (in the Roman Empire). Also called trident. Poseidon was the younger brother of Zeus and master of the seas, rivers, and earthquakes in Greek mythology.
In the Euphrates-Tigris region and along the eastern Mediterranean coast the trident has since time immemorial been a symbol of thunder and lightning. In Christian art the trident is an attribute of lesser devils and the Evil One, the staff of the Devil. .
As for the name of you chapter Legionaries of god-Emperor in latin here you go
Legionariesoflegionarius -a -um [belonging to a legion].Now here is where you can do your own thing there is a word in latin that includes god (lesser form) and emperor into one word or there is God as in 1 supreme God and emperor in 2 seperate words so we will start with the firstof 1. a, ab, abs, e, ex
god (lesser form) and emperor 1 wordNow God as in 1 supreme God, Yahweh for the Jews, God of the Blessed Trinity for the Catholics and Christians, Allah for the Muslims.... so on and so forth... you get the picturedivus -a -um as adj. , [divine or deified]; as subst., m. [a god] and f. [a goddess] (often as epithet of dead and deified emperors); 'sub divo'(neuter), [in the open air].
GodAs for the word emperor itself you will run into some trouble because it is a word based in many languages so here is the best I can give you.God 1. Deus
emperorSo in my opinion Legionarius Ex Divus would sound the best AND be the most fitting... and would also be the most beneficial... being the shorter of the two.The English term for emperor is derived from the Latin imperator (literally, "one who prepares against"; loosely, "commander"). In German the title Kaiser was used in both the Austro-Hungarian Empire and the German Empire and in Eastern Slavic languages tsar was used, both of which are derived from Caesar.
Sorry I tend to ramble at times :blink: but hopefully this has helped. I will keep an eye on this topic and repost if you need anything else... or if i think of anything
EDIT:I think there are sooooo many things already in WH that you can use to make your army original! For instance you could use St. Celestine of the witch hunters as a captain or Lt. just change the head make it a male and give it another saints name (you will have to do some conversion on the chest plate though :lol: ) There are a lot of other minis you could use to make your army RC and Roman empireish that are already out. You know.... if i wasn't so busy building my Tyranid army I would be making and army of this background . It has such depth and can be pretty unique (sp?) . GW website has numerous conversions on witch hunters that you could use for this type of army. I guess it just depends on your $$$ and imagination. For example a bound demon could be a heritic on a stretching rack (think Spanish Inquisition) IMO the sky is the limit. Just do a little reading and look at all the minis GW has to offer.Hrm, anyway, I think you will have a rough time making them original.
I'll just repost next time .... this ones a little long :rolleyes:
Although I love the complete ideal about the catholic army I honestrly could not let the option to speak up pass, All the ideas you have are related to the Black Templars Space Marine Chapter.
Their name is derived from the Templar Order which were basically catholic mercenaries siding withever king paied them the most.
Their Chapter Badge is the so well known Cross of Malta, another cristian intitution (charaty, i think), it's all there and was also the main reason for me to have chosen BT as my SM force...
Not really. The Maltese Cross is even-armed, but the Christian cross is not. The Knights Templars wore the Maltese Cross to show that they were not directly related to the Catholic Church.Their Chapter Badge is the so well known Cross of Malta, another cristian intitution (charaty, i think),
The Black Templars are not very Catholic. They are more like the Crusaders to the Holy Land who fought in the name of the Church even though they weren't part of it. If anything in WH40k resembles the Catholic Church, it's the Ecclesiarchy.
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Need a symbol? The cross might fit.... you could have the Emperor crucified while heretics poke him and stab him while executing him.... tee-hee.... :rolleyes:
Every whisper of the future from the Warp speaks of a hundred battles lost, a thousand lives devoured and a million enemies born. -- Inquisitor Lord Babel
Ascension: Templars were catholic, in fact they were warrior monks. The Templar order started off as warrior monks following the church ideals and bolstering Crusades but as most of the people in crusades at the time they either got paid or had claims for land and loute (spelling?).
with the passing of the years the Templars realising the gold mine it was to sell their services and started doing so to many European Kings untill they preatty much were owned money by most of the Christian Kingdoms in Europe.
It is said that because of this and a real fear from the Roman Catholic Church over the ammount of power gathering by the Templars, they were excumunicated and hunted down all over Europe. some monasteries still survived but all adopted new name and symbol. Such Example is the Order of Christ in Portugal which funded most of the Portuguese discoveries in the 16th century.