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Hey guys, I've been searching around for some clear answers to my questions, but other sites and threads are a few years old or simply missing the mark.
I was wondering is an army list of Death Korps of Krieg is tournament legal using the codex/rules provided by forgeworld. Also is a DKoK army limited to the previously mentioned codex or can it is used in "addition" to the standard Imperial Guard codex.
I ask because the DKoK codex has no mention of chimeras, sentinels, etc., therefore I am somewhat unsure of the limitations.
Responses are much appreciated as these models are quite expensive and I don't want to show up at a tournament with forgeworld artillery, centaurs, and DKoK infantry, only to be told that the army does not qualify.
- Worst case scenario: Can DKoK miniatures simply play under regular IG infranty codex rules and statistics?
You can't use forgeworld rules in a tourney(unless it specifically says.)
Though you can use the models with Imperial guard rules, as long as they are what they are meant to be (e.g. armed with the right weapons...)
Most forge world prints are not permitted in tournaments. too little testing/balancing is done around these. The thing to do is to use them as regular guard as suggested above.
IA is seen as esoteric and overpowered so they tend to disallow it. Not many people have access to the books to even learn what is in them.
Having said that, I've been playing with the Siege Army from the .pdf on the FW website and IMO the list is pretty weak. You loose Chimeras and Vet squads, Vendettas, pretty much all the stuff that makes Guard so powerful and replaces it with guardsmen supposed to fight hand-to-hand. The fluff at the start of the list even suggests something like "don't worry if you get beaten rotten, the Krieg regiments are expected to take heavy losses".
Given it's free to download and the list is pretty weak I would discuss it with the TO. So long as you only select from the list and don't bring other Imperial Armour vehicles or any of the superheavies from the back I wouldn't really call it competitive so they may well let you. Charging tons of men across the board is hilarious. It would probably come down to the type of tournament it is. Don't expect to use it at Adepticon but if it's a friendly small scale event at the local store it may be more open.
Last edited by Korona; November 9th, 2010 at 15:48.
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Forgeworld IS Games Workshop, they have the logo right there on their webzone. The problem is people using Imperial Armour to plug gaps in their codex which were there for important balance reasons. Using the Krieg or the Elysian lists really isn't going to cause the same type of problems. I agree that if people are blindsided by an unexpected list or have no access to even see what it's made of that is a bit unfair, but you can download the Krieg list for free. So provided people are told it's legal ahead of time there shouldn't be any real surprises.
The Astronomi-con events actually /do/ allow Forgeworld so it really does depend on the event:
Last edited by Korona; November 10th, 2010 at 02:56.
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The uncertain legality of the I.A lists has resulted in me writing an army with both Codex and I.A. lists.
Both are only small (750-800 points), and based around Combat Engineers rather than the typical siege regiment.
The Imperial Armour version uses a Company command, 1x10 grenadiers, 3x5 Engineers, 3 Cyclops, Thunderer.
Where as using the Codex it becomes Company Command, 2 Armoured Sentinels, Demolisher, and 3 Veteran units - 1 using Engineer figures, 2 using Grenadiers.
The idea behind it all was to have a themed but small infantry force to accompany an Armoured Battlegroup Apocalypse force.
Personally I'd really like to see more tournaments include I.A. lists. The revised DKoK and Armoured Battlegroup lists along with the new Elysian are not over powered and offer 3 very distinct styles of war beyond the regular Codex lists.
Sadly due to the compromises needed to follow the theme through for a 1500 point tournament force means it is highly unlikely to be done. Instead Chaos Space Marines remain my army of choice for such games.
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