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Hi all. I am looking to play 40k but sadly I live a ways away from a GW store so really the only person I play is my brother. Now we are looking to collect 40k but we are having the dilemma of...we both want Space marines.
He is more interested in Blood Angels were I would use the normal codex...is there much of a difference or when we play will it be a repetitive game where we pretty much use the same units.
Also if you buy Blood Angels do you have to use the red and black scheme? Thanks!
Another quick question is Razorbacks...I love the idea of giving my transports some firepower. Worthwhile or unnessecary? I am shooting for a 1500 pt list... and want 2 tact squads each w a razorback. How do you feel about this?
Last edited by HAB_Incognito; December 7th, 2010 at 01:47.
Armies: 40k: Imperial Guard, Orks Fantasy: Skaven
Hi there! Ahhhhhhh ive seen this dilemma more than once (if i had a nickel...) Well obviusley theres a different codex so you would have to shell out an extra $30 or so if you get the second one. Theres a massive variety of armies you can do with a space marine codex my advice is to go to the closest GW (by the way which one is it?) and talk with a staffer about starting an army. In all liklihood he will sit you down with a codex and walk you through creating a list. Get your brother to do the same with the Blood Angels codex then compare notes to see if they're different enough for your liking. No you dont have to use the Red \Black scheme theres subequent chapters i.e. Flesh Tearers, Soul Drinkers etc. or just pick your own. To be totally honest with you use rhinos NOT Razorbacks as they attract a lot of fire but dont transport a whole aquad. Hope this helps.
Bolt guns don't kill...It's the .75 caliber bolt blasting into your sternum that kills.
The best part to your situation would be the ability to borrow troops back and forth between you and your bro while you nail down a playstyle you like. Cudos! Where the Blood Angels are superior to the regular Space Marines in close combat, the Space Marines can field a great deal more variety in their composition than any of the other astartes chapters (Blood Angels, Dark Angels, Space Wolves, etc). I myself have played the space marines for a few years now and have gone through phases as an infiltrating infantry army, to a mass heavy weapons army, to a biker army, and all variations between. There is no right way to play the marines, but there is a viable counter in the codex for anything your opponent can board.
My current playgroup sees me squaring off against my friend at least once a week just as a friendly match up, and hes played the Blood Angels at least as long as I have the SMurfs, and we have yet to get tired of the matchup. Just remember its a game. And don't allow him to give Mephiston a bodyguard unit of Sanguinary Guard.
Quick! Wile 'es ded!
They're both different enough for you to have a lot of fun!
As a side note, have either of you considered Chaos Marines? They still play in a similar way but with a few different units (much more variety in basic soldiers, HQ and heavy support), and you could probably get better stories out of your games if that's your thing. Not to mention if you don't like them just say they're regular marines.
Also, even if you decide to get Rhino's, buy the RAZORBACK model and just model it without the guns. You can then decide if you want to try the razorback you can attach the gun with magnets. Its the same model, but if you buy the rhino you only get the rhino.
If you buy the razorback you get both.
And BA and SMurfs are really only similar in that they both are space marines, they do share some similar units but they are played very differently.
"For Plunder and Women!"
Bretonnians 7500, Empire 3300, Dwarfs 4800; Space Marines 2000, Tyranids 3000
They've pretty much said it all you can definitely set out stories behind your battles though (just set it before horus heresy) it definitely shouldn't get boring if you play a variety of missions and landscapes and if you ever get bored...Switch sides, its always funny when you do better then your opponent with his own army.
note. Ok one thing i'd like to point out is when anyone is mentioning other specialised chapters e.g. Black Templars, Dark Angels, etc. they never ever ever mention black templars (of course I had to). Why oh why does no one take notice of them. They're just as filled with righteous fury and faith as any other chapter so why the lack of attention. Sorry if this is off topic but I didn't feel comfortable making a whole thread dedicated to this.
Soo is daemonhunters codex but they can still kill 5th ed armies!!! That's besides the point!! Black templars are 100% dedicated to the emperor and not once in thier thousands of years of existence has one black templar betrayed the emporer and stepped into the darkness that is chaos. Not to mention the emperor's champion being the most badass space marine EVER, and ohhh excuse meee for guarding the emperor's palace whilst he was taking care of horus next time we'll leave it so he has hundreds of chaos space marines waiting for him when he returns basically dead!
note. Haha now it really is space marine vs space marine...the irony is sure not lost on me ^^
Blood Angels vs. Space Marines isn't bad situation at all. SM offers more variations and possibilities than BA codex which is very much focused around "move-fast-assault-hack'n'slash". While both codexes have many same units the little differences in cost and what the units actually get for that cost mean the point-for-point most effective way for BA is to go assaulty (no matter if its mech or jumpy).
Oh, and as for the color, Blood Angel Codex itself has several color schemes which are expressly not red and black... for example silver one and yellow one.
Revenant Moon Necrons: (W/L/D) 0/1/0 (6th edition: 13/2/2)(5th edition: 14/6/4)(3rd edition Codex: 16/4/7)
XIX Legion: (W/L/D) 0/0/0 (5th edition: 14/12/2)(5th edition Codex: 4/3/0)
Black Legion: (W/L/D) 1/0/0 (6th edition: 2/3/0)
Something Wicked... Reikwald Beastmen: (W/L/D) 10/4/1
Dont go brush over there,the only chapter not to have lost a marine to chaos corruption are the grey knights.
Also soul drinkers are decendants of the Imperial fists.
Paint them the way you like them.Want them Pink paint em pink,want em grey paint em grey.None is going to tell you anything for the paintjob.Say they are a second funding chapter of the BA or something.
Last edited by pilot00; December 8th, 2010 at 21:48.
Praise be to the Emperor!!