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This is my first post so bear with me if I'm doing something wrong Also I tried to find another thread to do with this but I couldn't find any, I could just be blind
My question is about the Imperial Guard heroes, those guys like Marbo, Stracken, Yarrick etc.
I've got a friend who plays IG and he consistently plays every single hero in the IG codex in each game we play and still manages to field an army almost double what I field. But the size of the army is beyond the point here (as i know how cheap guardsmen are points wise).
The real issue I have is the heroes, can they all be played like this? The reason I ask is that he essentially has a squad of heroes that roll around the board killing everything in their way.
I've read through some of the IG codex though it's almost the size of an encyclopedia lol, exaggeration I know but seriously it's massive, so I haven't really had a chance to fully explore this myself.
I'm not an IG player but I though this would be the most appropriate place to ask about these heroes and how they can be fielded, any special requirements etc.
Unfortunately for you old son, apart from your INTENSE scrutiny of his army list in conjunction with a copy of the Guard codex, he's probably right. Special characters are individuals that can only be fielded once in an army (twice on the table of battle because you could always claim that your model another Hero of the Imperium after your opponent puts Marbo or Creed on the table first). Equally disappointing is the fact that Guard really CAN put literally hundreds of models on the table at once, for the cost of a packet of peanuts. I do; I've got 160 models in my 1500 point list, 210 in my 1750 point list and 300+ in my mega-Apocalypse 3000 point one-for-one scale Battalion.
There are several factors in his favour: He's either a damn cheat and is abusing his codex, he's not abusing his codex he's actually lying in order to intimidate you, he's misunderstood his codex and has made monstrously glaring errors in his army selection, or the most likely one: He's got a legitimate army and handing you your backside in a carrier bag every game because you don't know what he's doing.
The last one isn't your fault-obtaining a copy of the Guard codex is important (and is also how GW make their ill-gotten cash) and can demolish certain smug players' attitudes of contempt towards their fellow players who don't have such access to the font of all knowledge. The best thing to do is to ask to borrow his codex and his list and study it in detail prior to a game. Have the rulebook to hand as well, because he may be acting as some sort of rules lawyer-if he's pushing an entire squad of special characters around, he's lying to the point of doing damage to the fabric of the universe. On the other hand, if he really is using spec chars to their furthest extent, don't play against him any more until you work out how unpleasant to make your own army, then come back and smash his army and you will never have to put up with his smugness ever again, because he won't want to play you. Geeks hate having their methods used against them.
I know it's a bit vague and probably misses the point but I hope I've helped in some way, because I was once like you, getting smashed by geeks who did nothing but play 40k ten times a week against my ten times a year. The glove is now firmly on the other foot and I thoroughly enjoy hearing the speccy geeks moan about how I'm not playing in the spirit of the game (ie cheating and acting like a ten year old when I lose) when I win, laughing as I go.
Remember, it's a game. Winning isn't "all that" because those repeat "winners" tend to be people who don't win a damn thing in the real world. Good luck & good hunting.
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Thanks for the reply.
All I needed was this confirmation of what he's doing with the heroes is even possible, which it seems to be. I do find that the shear size of the IG army that can be fielded is somewhat irritating, especially when they all refuse to die.
Of those factors, I think it would be most likely one the last two. When playing I have noticed we are consistently referring back to the 40k rules after I question what he is doing, most recently the belief that his tanks could get cover from a squad about 1/4 the size of the tank. This leads me to believe a misunderstanding of his codex is the reason he keeps on rofl-stomping myself and all other friends who play him.
When it comes to borrowing the codex and list, I have done this to some extent, though he never supplies a written army list when any of us play, apparently he remembers it all. The shear size of the codex as well makes it a somewhat daunting task to understand what is going on in an IG army (for me anyway).
This has been helpful and has given some sort of peace of mind that I am playing against a somewhat legal army. But yes, I look forward to the day when I can watch the moaning and complaining.
Indeed it is, that is why I try to avoid conflict while playing him. From that it would seem like I will win heaps in the real world as I currently win very little in 40k.
Ask him for his list, and post it here. Taking EVERY special character in the codex is impossible. Creed takes up the Company Commander spot. Straken takes the company commander spot. Commissair Yarik takes up neither, but...
Thats THREE HQ choices. You can't do it. Right there, it's a cheat.
Almost more importantly, Assuming he's taking EVERY special model, as you indicate, its 964 points, before taking the MINIMUM requirements to get them (such as a full vet squad or a company command squad)
Sir, you are being cheated, I'm afraid.
If this is not the case, ask him for his list. Special characters are generally not taken BECAUSE they cost so flippin' much.
Last edited by cKerensky; January 25th, 2011 at 01:29.
Memorizing the codex is not that bad, I'm basically memorized the entire tau and IG codex and probably almost eldar just from playing a lot of games. And I hope you do make him cry (just don't do it "extremely, I'm loosely using the word here.
And for the tanks, They actually need to be in something that covers at least half of the tanks not a bunch of troops.
I also like to ask what does he field for his entire army?
It isn't a matter of memorizing a Codex, it is memorizing the points for each unit, what you put on it and running the total in you head... The aroma of tuna wafts...
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I've been addicted to World of Tanks lately and neglecting my IG... But it is so... much... fun!
Then you can take his list, sit down with the IG Codex and run the numbers. There's no need to memorize entire books.This, however, could be an honest misunderstanding. Cover works differently for vehicles than for infantry. Infantry get cover whenever their attacker draws LOS through an intervening unit (of any size). Conversely, vehicles use the 50% rule; at least half of the vehicle must not be visible to the attacker for it to claim cover. And squadrons are handled a little differently as well, although that might not be relevant here.the belief that his tanks could get cover from a squad about 1/4 the size of the tank
"My tanks have names, my men have numbers." -Col. Edmund Grahvess, 23rd Kronecker Prison Guard
Don't even unpack your models unless he shows you his army list, codex and rulebook. Then demand to studiously examine his list together with his codex. If he refuses, he's a f!"£$%g cheat and you may call him one. If he gets a bag on about it, tell him he's still a goddamn cheat until he produces a legal list and allows you to check it against the relevant codex. If he's wrong, then you're the winner of every game you've ever played against this excrementalist. If he's right, then tell him that he's now viewed with suspicion by every player he knows due to his reluctance to supply legal documentation for an organised game using the rulebook. That should throw him off balance in future and force him to sort himself out or do one.
Either way, problem solved.
AWESOME word, I think I'll cockroach it for my own use...excrementalist...plus the points for a whole boatload of infantry units for the characters to lead. And a tank for pask.its 964 pointsThat part is definitely cheating. I don't think you can get more than 4 special characters into a single squad. You could probably get Creed, his color sergeant, Yarick, and that ogryn character into a squad together...and add in the various regimental advisors (who aren't worth a spit into the wind in melee combat). If he's got al rahem, marbo, straken, nedog, creed, kell, and so on mobbed up together, it's as wrong as [redacted by His most holy Inquisition]. The overwhelming majority of IG specials are direct replacements for squad sergeants, platoon commanders, or company commanders. They can't be pulled out to form a brute squad.he essentially has a squad of heroes that roll around the board
Last edited by Marnepup; January 25th, 2011 at 20:31.
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It sounds like this cackhander is more bent than a nine-bob note, and everyone agrees. There's nothing like the democracy of a forum full of boot-boys willing to dish out shoe pie to some tube with his trousers round his ankles. Game on, mucker.
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