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I'm looking for feedback from people who've used conscripts with this rule, how good is it? Worth the 75 pts each (plus 50 for Chenkov) ?
Specifically, I was thinking of a 30 or 40-man conscript squad with this rule and a Lord Commissar hovering nearby, making them Ld 10 and Stubborn. Worth the point cost?
Thanks for the quick response, but a few details justifying the answer would be nice
Conscripts are bad for the points, they are just overshadowed by blobbed infantry squads with weapon options and/or power weapons and commissars. If they want to use orders they pretty much need a lord commissar which adds more points to the equation.
In 2500pts i used a squad of 50 with send in the next wave as bubble wrap, they were assaulted and wiped by multiple DE units, next turn they added to the counter attack with rapid firing lasguns. So in large games they can be ok, not truly a compedative choice but not terrible. Dont take them in less that 2000pts though.
IG Best Gen 1st overall of 10 DE 4th overall of 6
Eldar 3rd Overall/Best General of 26--2nd Overall/Best General of 7--1st Overall/Best General of 11
The conscripts have no transportation options due to their squad size so their only practical use is flooding your home objective with waves of easily killed grunts. This can be effective--some players do it to good effect--but most prefer a standard infantry blob or two for defense.
Another factor is that conscripts are useless against armor. If the enemy sits on your home objective inside a transport then the cons can't do anything to them.
"My tanks have names, my men have numbers." -Col. Edmund Grahvess, 23rd Kronecker Prison Guard
Once they all get taken out no more lord commissar to save them and they will run off the board easily with their low leadership. Also I would rather have 5 infantry squads for 50 points more (not including special rule or chenkov) rather then a 50 man conscript squad. The infantry squad would have better stats and a weapon selection.
I think I'm in the minority in that I actually like the ability but I wouldn't rate it for competitive builds.
"Send in the next wave" is good but it's really hard to use right. Ideally you want fresh conscripts coming in every turn to make maximum use of them. Ideally you also want them charging into combat, best of all with furious charge.
To leverage that you need several conditions. Some are in your control and some are not. Of the ones that are not, firstly you need to have an enemy who's got units within 12 inches of your board edge. That's not really very likely vs a lot of armies. Against a stand back and shoot gunline the ability is pretty bad. Against orks or aggressive marine players (blood angles etc) they're really good.
Finally you need to have an objective game. Feeding the enemy a kill point every turn is going to wreck your score.
To get them into combat with furious charge you need to have either Straken or Creed. You also need a lord commissar and Chenkov all within the 12 and 6 inch bubble ranges to give them the needed buffs.
Ideally you want them inside of Chenkov and the lord commissar's radii on the turn they charge, but then for "pile in" moves to pull them out of that bubble. Positioning your massive blob of guys to get that to work is doable but it's tough.
Now, I can say I have done all this, I've repeatedly charged some Grey Knight paladins and purifiers, losing several hundred conscripts and grinding down the elite troops with weight of numbers. I think the concept is cool but flawed by the non-existent mobility the troops have (or don't have) and by all the factors that need to happen for them to really work at peak effectiveness.
I don't know of any other unit we have that's so mission and opponent dependent. I really love the ability. When the mission is suitable it's a lot of fun, but it can't really be used in an all-comers list.
If you're able to arrange a game beforehand, maybe cities of death or one of the battle mission book scenarios then maybe that's the best way to do it.
Bottom line is, it's great for babysitting an objective but you need to devote a lot of your list into making it work. Without a big payoff you'll not get value for money.
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