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I have a question today on somthing i overheard on youtube and other places. many battle reports people kept saying blood angels are cheese. calling them cheese angels, now my question is what makes them cheese
cheers in advance
that those people got beat by them? lol
on a serious note there are some really tough BA builds out there mainly revolved around razorback and predator spam with the occasional Mephiston sprinkled in. Grey Knights have since took the mantle of king of cheese though.
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In the past, when it came out, the standard Marine codex was fine. Codex creep was under control. There were no Grey Knights or dark eldar venom spam, CSM were about the toughest codex out there and codex marines could cope with that.
Then Space Wolves came out and many marine players used 'count as' lists or resprayed the figures grey. Blood Angels then made an appearence and the fact that priests could give you FNP and FC to anyone nearby and the fast vehicles made some players respray the same figures red.
After a while I think the general consensus is that SW are slightly better than BAs due to the cheap, effective troop choices. Grey Knights of course are even more powerful than both of them but it does leave normal marines looking a bit long in the tooth. Compared to BA SM get cheaper thunder hammers and free searchlights. BA get FNP+FC, Jumping troops, DOA, Cheaper devastators, fast tanks and great psy powers to name but a few advantages. They arent that cheesy but you can design some decent lists with them that worg great together with their special rules.
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It's mostly that Razorbacks are significantly undercosted and partly that Predators can fire all weapons on the move. A BA list consisting of only those two unit types has few weaknesses and many strengths. Not that BA is unique this way. Most armies have a couple overpowered, underpriced units that competitive players like to focus on, frequently to the exclusion of all else. Guard spamming Vendettas, Orks spamming Nobs, GKs spamming Paladins and so on.
If you seek to avoid creating a cheesy army then here's a broad rule of thumb. Any list with more than two of a unit type is either a themed list or a cheese list. Just collect a variety of units and you'll be fine. If you have a theme in mind then check to see if a similar list has won a major tournament recently. There's usually a big performance difference between themed-fun and themed-spam armies.
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A good list would be:
2)Tanks with strapped jumbo jet engines
3)Possible army wide feel no pain rule
5)A relic blade wielding,non scattering deepstrike squad that can take melta gun-type weapons and some say that makes terminators shed manly tears.
In all seriousness the BA are hardly the cheese they are made out to be.IMHO they pay fairly for what they get (except N#1 on the list)compared to other grey or beard tinted marines...
EDIT:Not the thread to discuss this but Interpid,orks spamming nob squads even with the wound shenanigans,IMHO are vastly preferred to mob orks.
Last edited by pilot00; May 8th, 2012 at 23:41.
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