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I was wondering if any one knows they they took squad leaders out in 3rd edition, I think that was what they were called, the ones with the red start (iron halo) inside of the chapter badge to show their rank. I think they should have kept them in, but just made them like the sergeant, only able to take a bolter, or bolt pistol and close combat weapon.
Any way the reason I ask this was because me and a friend some how got talking about this over MSN, and couldn't see why they took them out, just wondering if any one knows. I would have thought it would be usefull in fluff because some times you have 1 tactical squad, with the first 5 men giving covering fire with a heavy weapon and the other 5 men moving foward with a special weapon (I read that some where). Surly the squad that didn't have the Sergeant still needed a leader? Or is it done by the sergeant just selecting the person incharge and each time it could change.
I have never heard of anything called a squad leader. Probably before my time. But perhaps you mean veteran sergeants? If so then they are indeed in the codex of 3rd as well as 4th edition.
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my knowlegde on this matter is as good as invictusvis, but i think he does mean some other marine model of some kind. but then again i may be wrong...
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Back in 2nd edition, you could only have 10 man squads of marines. You could have a sergeant and 9 marines, or a sergeant (skull symbol on his shoulder/banner), squad leader (iron halo symbol on his shoulder/banner), and 8 marines. With a squad leader, you could split the squad into two separate 5-man sqauds, even though for force organization purposes, they still counted as one squad. 3rd edition did away with this by allowing you to field 5-man squads.
Yeah thats they one , any one know why they took em out? This was a looong time ago though, just me and a m8 were talking about it not so long ago.Originally posted by LittleWing@Nov 28 2004, 06:19
Back in 2nd edition, you could only have 10 man squads of marines. You could have a sergeant and 9 marines, or a sergeant (skull symbol on his shoulder/banner), squad leader (iron halo symbol on his shoulder/banner), and 8 marines. With a squad leader, you could split the squad into two separate 5-man sqauds, even though for force organization purposes, they still counted as one squad. 3rd edition did away with this by allowing you to field 5-man squads.[snapback]259702[/snapback]
They didn't take him out since there never was any rules for him. It was a pure fluff thing. A ten man squad had a sergeant and a squad veteran and if you split them into two combat squads of five men each was led by one of them. There were however no rules for the veteran, he was simply another marine but with an iron (red) halo on the left shoulder, over his chapter icon, in the same way as the sergeant had the iron skull on his shoulder. You are still free to paint one of your marines as squad veteran if you want.
Well, I am sure there are ways to make it so that one can be a "Squad Leader" so to speak and still be within the rules. To think there would be no one to take charge in the loss of the leader is silly at best, stupid at worst. Depending on how your army is painted, as previously stated, you can paint one to fit the description.
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ah I c so there was no real rules for him then, he was just for fluff, I started about a week of 2 before 3rd edition came out so never got to know the rules for 2nd edition that well. Thanx for that, setteled an arguement now .