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I just got the razorback set with 5 guys and im wondering what you guys use in your games. As a razorback id probily be using a pintle mounted storm bolter and linked lascannons..more like a mobile firebase. Im thinking it would probily be better to use it as a rhino since it can transport more models, but a linked lascannon sounds awful nice...
A mobile fire base is always a good thing, seeing as marines dont exactly have the heaviest hitting tanks except for maybe the land raider or the vindicator.
Tact is for people who give a damn. I'm not one of those people.
bit of a follwoup question for BA players since I just looked at the FAQ again... is there even a point to taking a razorback since we have to pay another 15 pts for overcharged engines? I mean that makes the fragile vehicle even more expensive. I don't think its a good idea even trying since you can immobilize yourself or even destroy the vehicle.
Do you have to buy or is it option
You have to have it. (N)
i would take a rhino because of the new fire point...
so you can put a squad of marines in there with a hvy weapon and then have a plasma gun or something and then bam you shooting from a rhino...hehehehe
P.S. Blood angels rule, the anger lets us ignore wounds ...hehehe
Razorbacks are more suited for defensive armies like Salamanders and Ultramarines where you can park it and blast away as they come towards you, then mobilize the small squad to react to their assualt.
Assualt style armies like Blood Angels should take the Rhino since it holds more troops and is cheaper, so you can spend more points on Marines.
If you want a Mobile Firebase, get a Predator. It will be stronger and more suited for the role, and for a good price.
"Courage is not the absence of fear, it is the conquest of it." -Anon
My breakdown of the two vehicles...
-Fire point allows you to shoot even after moving 12"
-The new repair rule makes it more durable
-Larger transport capacity
-Heavy weapons make for a "Poor man's Predator"
-Smaller transport capacity
-No fire point, so no shooting at all after moving more than 6"
-Fire magnet because of the heavy weapons and low AV
Conclusion: The Rhino is excellent for transporting large squads into assault. While it rushes, the crew can blaze away. It can also be used for 'Drive-by shooting', where you hide the Rhino behind some cover and have two guys with a heavy weapon and a special weapon take pot shots at the enemy.
The Razorback is more complex in its use. Because of the lack of a firing point, it seems logical to transport a squad of 5 Veterans with BP/CCW and an Independant Character, because being armed with pistols, they have little to lose from having no firing point. However, the Razorback must also move slowly to fire at full effect, meaning that it will take longer to reach the heart of the battle. It looks as if the way to use the Razorback is to zoom into combat, unload the small team of assault specialists, and then zoom off to find a safe place to stay stationary and shoot the heavy weapons.
Maybe the way to use these transports is to have the Rhino speeding up ahead, with the Razorback behind to provide fire support. The Rhino discharges its cargo first, which will probably whittle down the enemy before getting killed, and then the slower-moving Razorback's own cargo can finish off the weakened enemy.
But me, I'd just take a Rhino and save some points.
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I think im going to use it as a rhino and make the squad bigger. Kinda sucks, because the razorback seems really cool, but IMO the BA one with twin-linked lascannons is just to expensive for what it does.
Can you fire the heavy weapon and the special weapon. I thought that moving the transport counted as the marine moving thus no heavy weapon. :hmm:Originally posted by Ascension@Jan 4 2005, 08:29
My breakdown of the two vehicles...
The Rhino is excellent for transporting large squads into assault. While it rushes, the crew can blaze away. It can also be used for 'Drive-by shooting', where you hide the Rhino behind some cover and have two guys with a heavy weapon and a special weapon take pot shots at the enemy.[snapback]292977[/snapback]
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