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Just a brief question for those of you who are (or at least should be) more familiar with the Demonhunter Codex than myself:
I am aware that a Daemonhunter army may not bring Space Marine Allies if they are also fielding Grey Knights (that is, only a DH army composed of inducted guard units and inquisitorium personnel can call on Space Marine support).
However, the restriction on playing Space Marines and Grey Knights together in a Demonhunter army seems to suggest that Grey Knights might similarly be restricted from being allies in a Space Marine Army. Space Marines are certainly able to bring Daemonhunters as allies, and there doesn't seem to be anything stating that those Daemonhunters may not be Grey Knights, but I am not certain.
So, what is the answer (and a page citation or specific referrence would be appreciated if applicable)? Can Grey Knights be allies in a Space Marine army?
Short answer: Yes, if your base army is Space Marines, you can include inducted GK.
Long Answer: Yes, Grey Knights can be allied into a Space Marine army. Page 21 of the DH codex, grey box in the bottom right, since you wanted a reference. That box is specifically about Imperial armies that want to take Daemonhunters as allies, and no where does it exclude Grey Knights from the list of choices. So as long as Space Marines are your base army, you can include Daemonhunters (including Grey Knights) into your army. You are, of course, bound by the limitations for allies in that grey box, so you cannot use Grey Knight Dreadnoughts, for example, but Grey Knights in power or terminator armor are both available, as are the Grey Knight Heroes.
The limitation about not including inducted Space Marines into a Daemonhunter army with Grey Knights is discussed above the grey box, under "Allied Space Marines". The restriction is only there for fluff reasons, imo. The Space Marines might need to call in the assistance of the Inquisition (and therefore the Grey Knights) on occasion, while the Grey Knights themselves never seek out allies from among their Astartes bretheren.
Speaking of fluff where can I find some daemonhunter fluff?
Thanks for the prompt and thorough response; tacking Grey Knights onto my Ultramarines will be highly entertaining for me (especially now that my GF is building a Thousand Sons army... :ph34r: )
Buy the codex.Originally posted by Terzo@Jan 27 2005, 18:28
Speaking of fluff where can I find some daemonhunter fluff?[snapback]314111[/snapback]
Anyways, that's kinda weird that SM/IG can call up the DH, but the DH can't call up them. So a daemonhunter person could pretend he was SM/IG, so that he could call on the other teams... weird
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Thats prolly cause DH are a bit stuck up. They can do THEIR missions on THEIR OWN. BUT they will help an Imperial army if they cant handle a mission themselves. :shifty:Anyways, that's kinda weird that SM/IG can call up the DH, but the DH can't call up them. So a daemonhunter person could pretend he was SM/IG, so that he could call on the other teams... weird
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Pride itself is a sin (Horus was proud of his accomplishments) for all Space Marines (including GK). They've got better reasons for not calling on Space Marine allies.Thats prolly cause DH are a bit stuck up.
Part of the reason is the nature of the enemies the Daemonhunters are trained to fight. If a IG or SM army is suddenly up against Daemons, they'll call for help from the Inquisition because they're ill-equipped to deal with the threat themselves.
If a Daemonhunter army is fighting Daemons, they aren't going to call upon the other servants of the Imperium when all that would happen is that the newly arrived allies would go mad or worse. Now, you ask, why can they use IG then? Because IG are expendable, while each SM is worth a lot more in terms of training time and effectiveness. The Daemonhunters would mindscrub the SM if necessary, but that still makes the SM at least temporarily incapable of fighting, which isn't usually an option. So they call in the meatshie---er, Guardsmen.
Already have it.Buy the codex.
But come on, that's not all...I remember hearing about the first battle of armageddon involving grey knights, but I don't see that in the codex.
I believe the Armageddon codex has that story. BFG Armada might mention the GK (since it has a chapter about Armageddon), but not enough to bother purchasing. A lot of minor fluff (outside of any books) mentions them, but not in detail. The Black Library book "Grey Knights" by Ben Counter has a lot of fluff, but you have to be careful, as this author pulled a lot of info on the GK out of his arse. The old Index Astartes mentions them a bit as well, I think.
Are the Deamon Hunters a threat to the galaxy like the Chaos are? they seem to hate every1
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