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ok i tried searching and didn't really find what i was looking for so i ask you all for help. I have the worst time fighting against eldar. They out gun my Dark Angels, and i faulter in cc when i do get close enough. what is the best way to take on an eldar army with alot of firepower, i've tried the rhino rush and they got toasted even with smoeke screens and all the defensive stuff i could take. i've tried bike swarms and they got shot to hell as well, even turbo boosting.
I need effective tactics on taking down the ubber shooty eldar army of around 1500 points. What is good to take, what isn't good to take, what weapons to use and not to use. I've only ever defeated an eldar army 2 or 3 times, and i play them constantly. the times i won was because the player was either new, or just not very strategic. I thank you all for your input.
Well in my opinion you're headed in the right direction. Against shooty armies like to one you mention, you need to throw everything at them, overwhelm them.
Perhaps you could try swathes of assault troops.
Sit a couple of Whirlwinds in the background (behind cover) and soften them up a bit.
Consider Drop-Pods. They can't shoot you if you have not arrived yet. Remember though, the key is where you drop in.
Try Scouts. Their infiltration will at least get them up the board some and into cover.
A moving Land Speeder makes a difficult target, and a Ravenwing Land Speeder may take Multi-Melta's and Assault Cannons.
Try and get a few pinning weapons into the army.
A 'real' Dark Angels player might have better ideas.I only use Ravenwing, but that's my attampt to help.
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Ravenwing. Get to them as quickly as possible. Remember, bikes that turbo and speeders that...speed...get a lot harder to hit. Don't try to out-shoot a shooty army. You're better than Eldar in cc anyway, that's the wonder of Space Marines.
Deepstriking is the key. Drop pods, Termies, Assualt Marines, the like. Ravenwing is good also. Not much else to be said though.
Hope it helps
thnx you guys these little tactics will help. I was wondering if it would be wise to take las-cannon heavy devastator squad. To take out tose annoying tank, or would it just be wise ot deepstrike heavy weapons or use bike to do it?
When I play my eldar there is nothing that ruins my day more than a marine army loaded with hvy bolters. They chew through my aspect warriors like nothing else (except scorpion/spiders) and have the range to keep me concerned about exposing anything from the first turn.
Also Indirect fire (whirlwind) is a major pain. The eldar really don't have alot that can easily takeout indirect fire without exposing itself to fatal return fire.
Predators w/hvy bolter sponsn and TL las cannons and whirlwinds are a simple additive to threaten the eldar.
I play a shooty eldar opponent often and all those skimmers with bright lances can be a pain. Fortunately he doesn't have aspect warriors, so all infantry (storm gaurdians and defenders) all have 5+ saves. I exploit this with my land speeder typhoon, it kills guardians dead and he never shoots at it since there is a devastator squad in the back, a drednaught with lascannon & ML and multiple tactical squads with heavy weapons. Against eldar keep sergents and HQ cheap. For extra punch an assault squad with a Chaplain is great to finnish off infantry. Scouts don't usually do so well for me, I always infiltrate the CC ones, so my advice is don't do that. Snipers sound good on avatars and wraithlord but in practice are quite disapointing. Make sure to have lots of ML and lascannons. Termis are ok but will get targeted as soon as they hit the table. Here is where the cyclone ML is actually any good. Try to have little to no vehicles since bright lances chew them up. If you field them make them not too expensive and try to get his attention with them.
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Dev squads with lascannons are hideously expensive.Originally Posted by Lion El'Johnson
If he's fielding a shooty army, get into close combat. Don't try to out-shoot an army designed for destroying you from afar.
Your best bet is either assault squads - not a good idea with DA - or speeders and deep-strike, which is better. Just remember to get into close combat because Guardians are only useful for meat shields once it gets to close combat.
Woa guys, a lot of these suggestions will get eaten alive by some eldar armies, I live for the day somone tries deep striking against my Saim Hann. When I use my Marines against Eldar I go for shooty marines it is entirely feasible to outshoot them but you need to look at what weapons to use, heavy bolters are death to Eldar, but realyl before we get into specifics, we need to know what sort of Eldar army you are facing?