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I thought that i would start a post about what changes the new blood agels codex should have. This is what i think.
blood angels tactical squads should have the options to swap there bolters for bolt pistol and ccw and also get ws 5 maybe and two special weapons in a squad in stead of a heavy weapon.
blood angel scouts should have some sort or special rules ws 5 maybe.
hq should have ws 6 or something to make them better in cc.
im not sure what else just more stuff to make us the real cc masters taht we should be.
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Please tell me your joking. Their berserkers, they dont deserve a WS increase for that.
I'm sorry but that puts them beyond Grey Knights who should be able to wipe out marine chapters if necessary. I agree on giving them cleanse and purify for the 2 specials, and the one that allows tactical squads CCW and pistols.
But WS5 marines and WS6 Charcters is never going to happen. The whole idea is the base stats of a marine is already high enough, no way is a normal BA equal to a commander from any other chapter.
Me thinks you have gotten a little carried away with the fluff, Furious Charge for free wasn't enough now you want increased WS?
Marine stats are fine as is, use the existing trait styles to emphasise your HtH nature by all means but stat increases are unnecessary. The only thing more i'd suggest is keep them all with FC as stands as a trade for the rage. You already have vehicle variants unavailable to other chapters, be thankful
My aim is not to insult, but frankly I cant agree in any way, shape or form with the idea of this.
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I don't either. An upped WS is not going to happen. Grey Knights are the only ones who can claim WS 5 for basic troops, and there's a reason for it.
I would be able to expect the following; having to pay for Furious Charge, having the Vet. Assault Squad instead of a normal Vet. Squad, a revision of the involuntary sweeping advance of the Death Company, a revision of the Death Company Chaplain rules - the cost in particular - and on the flip side, gaining the trait that lets tactical squads take BP+CCW, keeping the Baal and the Furioso and perhaps - perhaps - the two special weapons. That last one is more of a Salamanders speciality, though. BA are all for HTH, not meltas. Meltas are a side accessory.
Also, they may remove Tycho as he is officially dead or in a Dreadnought, killed at Armageddon. BA have a whole plethora of special characters; it confounds me, really.
And, correct me if I am wrong, but have we done this already? I think we did and it was locked all out of proportion.
I have given this issue some thought. I play almost exclusivly against orks and have found that the thing I miss more than everyting else is to not be allowed to have the furious charge (and to some extent litanies of hate) when engaging another unit by sweeping advance. The orks (admittedly with their age old codex) are allowed their whaaag! initiative bonus when doing the same...
Oh, and the possibility to use boltpistol and cc exists by stripping assault marines of their jump packs. No transport vehicle permitted though...
I agree with Ratus, to not have the furious charge in sweeping advance just sucks!!!!
Especially when facing that horde armies like orcs, tyranids, imperial guard(OK I know IG doesn't count really but lets face it, the image it creates by throwing BA into the frontlines of IG with furious charge in the sweeping advance is enough to put a smile on any chaplains face)
They can take out the stuff BA don't need:
Overcharge engines in my opinion doesn't suit the BA with the new paper thin transports we have, we're better off using wheelbarrows =)
The Grail surves no purpose, because why would anyone want to engage an enemy knowing you just sacrificed your army's most important feat +1A, +1Int, +1Str, an OH YEA the enemy can still shoot at you cause Technicly you weren't engaged ?? WTF???
The Furiouso (I don't know the exact spelling =( shame on me) needs to be upgradable to Venrable and should maybe have 13A Front, because, sure its pretty mean in cc IF IT IS ABLE TO GET THERE IN TIME. Most armies are not only able to shoot it out in they have average cc weapons that can destroy it in no time aswell, IG=POWERFIST, ELDAR=WHICHBLADES,.....
Maybe drop the all the Special weapon choice and Heavy waeapons choice of troop and give them a HEAVY FLAMER that behaves like a normal flamer with one higher STR and give it the negative effect of the plasma weapons "on a roll to hit of 1 make a armor save or take a wound"
Maybe just give all BA space marines one higher str value, but personally I think they are already too overpowered
All basic units get +1 strength? That would mean they wound almost all Eldar and IG units on a 2+. That is insane. Not to mention insta-kill on the charge. We're going too far, here. The BA are already good; the new Codex should be a series of cutbacks.
BA should be easy for G-Dub. They need a lot of balancing, but it's half and half, really.
Additions: Bp/CCW tactical squads. Tweaked rules on Overcharged Engines. Return of the BA disembark rule. New special character rules. A special CC weapon for their characters. Venerable Furioso's. Slightly cheaper Honour Guard.
Subtractions/Changes: DC rules badly need to be changed, in good and bad ways. I can't map it out, but the rules for them now.....well, they don't sit right. And I couldn't point out one reason why. They're not cheesy, or anything. They just don't "feel" right. And really, aside from DC, I don't see much wrong with BA.
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I am personally not going to exactly object to the free-powerfist rule for the DC, since it is awesome, but it really makes no sense. Hey, you're a Veteran, so when you go crazy and thirst for the blood of your enemies, you get one powerfist free!
another thing that needs to be redone is also the vertren assault squad they just need to be dereased in points thats really all i also want a lot of new storys in the new codex.chacters should be redone maybe mephiston with a invunrable save and a jump pack (okay maybe not cos i tryed that in a hero battle and he cained so bad so scrap that) also the infeno pistol should be a comon weapon for hq the chappie should be better (i just fell that he is really inportant in a ba army so he should be special) tyco... i dunno if he wsa put in a dreadanouhgt them he should be in the next codex aswell
thats all i can think of now.
thank for the replys and keep them comeing
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I would like to see BA get more specialized like SW. Space puppies have all there troops and HQ's unique (maybe not for the best) and it makes them feel distinctively different. As opposed to BA which have the SHP (useless due to new chaplain rules); Furioso dread which will never see combat needs to be like the special character Morior the Chosen with same pts cost (ignore shaken/stunned), although I would take venerable and lower pts cost instead; vet assault squad (in the too many pts category) and the Baal predator which IMO I don't see what the big deal is... Everybody was like oh man now with the new assault cannon rules you should definitely get one. Thanks but no thanks; Iâ€™ll keep my predator destructor. I think BA more then any other chapter should be geared for close combat. I mean SW Long Fang donâ€™t freak out and charge the enemy so we should definitely get bp/ccw or just two special weapons would make me happy (all my tactical squads are in rhinos with no heavy weapons). I mean taking a devastator squad is a real liability, so much so I took it out of my tournament list. Furious charge is fine as is, but only if people stop bâ€™ing about how itâ€™s free, if we have to start paying for it I want it improved (sweeping advance). Oh, and last but not least everybodyâ€™s favorite unit the Death Company. First of all let me say if you want to you can really cheese out the DCâ€¦ however, for the other 90% of BA players out there you probably kit your veteran sergeants out (I give mine a power fist and they usually stay in the squad because I need them there). Iâ€™ve had a lot of people call my BA cheesy (including a GW manager), but all the veteran players know itâ€™s a fair list and that most people just whine about BA for no good reason other then they lost.
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