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I was thinking of painting the rank of soldiers on their left shouldpad, using the insignas given here: http://vd9.net/bf2ranks/#12
I only do not know the exact rank system of the Imperial Guard. I have tried to make a list, here it is from lowest to highest rank:
Herioc Senior Officer
I don't know what rank the elites have (do the elites in real life have a higher rank than normal footsoldiers? Veterans compared to Guardsmen for example)
Also I am not sure about the Commisar rank. He has highest leadership + the authoroty to execute ANY officer in the field, so that makes me believe he has a rank higher than Herioc Senior Officer.
Please help me make this list of which soldiers have which ranks, so I can get started with painting!
It's a good idea, but I would use a grade system that is a bit easier to paint.
But it's up to you.
NOTE : The following will based on the Swedish Army Ranks because it's somewhat familiar to me (I were in the marine it has some diffrences when you get to the higher ranks). Though I will use a translated version of it. Also, I will leave out grades that aren't in use anymore.
I would say that Conscripts have the rank of Conscript while your everyday Guardsmen are privates.
Squad Leaders have the rank of either Lance Corporal or Corporal.
Junior officers/platoon leader have rank of Sergeant or Sergeant Major, also, any officer cadett would fall in this category.
Senior officer/Company leader have the rank of ensign (second lieutenant), lieutenant and captain.
Heroic officer/Regiment leader have the rank of major, lieutenant colonel, colonel.
But I don't think that a commisar would have a higher rank than the officer in charge of the battle, I would say that they'd be either Junior officer or Senior officer.
You can look here for more information about the Swedish army ranks and it has the ranks I left out.
As for elites having higher rank than normal footsoldiers, yes, they usually have a higher rank than a normal footsoldier, the Basic storm trooper would be a Lance Corpral or Corpral, while Veterans still could be a private. But, I'd say they would at least have the rank of private first class or lance corpral. The reason that I say that they still could be privates are that they've been fighting for long, but they lack that extra education the elites get during basics.
Hope this will help you.
OK you are a bit out there.
GW use a collective description rather than a pecific rank (look at officers - really there are only 2 types - junior and senior, the "Heroic" does ot refer to any rank)
Conscripts - this is not a rank, it is a type of troop - they are all guardsmen
Guards men - basically Privates and Junior NCOs - Lance corprals and Corprals (0, 1 and 2 stripes)
Sergents - basically senior NCOs: Sergeants, staff/colour sergeants, and quite probably Warrant Offiers (Sergent Majors [1 and 2 for the more pedantic], 3 stripes, 3 stripes with a crown, and large crowns (with wreath for WO1) respectively
JOs- Junior officers, the distinction tends to blur in moder armies, but basically Ensigns/2nd Leuitenants, First Lieutenants and captains - one, two and 3 pips respectively
SOs - technically everything abov a captain, but since we are talking regiments here - although large enough to be classed as brigades by conventional force sizes, I wont wander up too high: Major (crown - the distinction between this and a WO is that a WO wears his crown on his right sleve cuff, wheras a major has a smaller crown on his shoulder) - leutnant Colonel - pip and crown, colonel - 2 pips and crown
Cheredanine hit it pretty good. I can see it being kind of hard doing anything more than dots or lines for rank.
Here is a good website if you are looking for some ideas or inspiration: http://www.uniforminsignia.net/
Might be too much info on this site though.
I like the ork rank system. "I'm da biggest so I's in charge!"
I don't know anything about real life ranks and all of your comments are pretty confusing to me. It don't need to be realistic, I just want it to look cool.
The conscripts are lower in rank than normal guardsmen (I would think)
Bascially what I would like to have is a list of models in order of importance, so I can give the models more and more stripes as they "climb" in rank.
EXAMPLE: conscripts just a pair of crosed guns (private), guardsmen 1 stripe, (private 1st class) , sergeants 1 stripes with crossed guns under it (lance corporal) etc etc using the insignas given in the link I posted earlier. I just had a few questions like "are veterans and stormtroopers higher in rank than normal soldiers" etc. Which is already answered I believe, but you guys take it too deep for my liking, it's getting confusing for me :huh: :p
iirc, for most armies you won't have any markings at all if you're a private. This is good because crossed guns are very hard to paint!Originally Posted by MisterDutch
Also, armies don't tend to draw a distinction between conscripts and normal recruits, once you're in the Army, you're a soldier just like everyone else. A conscripted Private wouldn't have a lower rank than a recruited Private, their uniform would be the same.
In 40k it is different, so you have to invent your own way of denoting rank.
As a simple guide, here's what I'm doing with my army, hope it helps;
Guardsman - No insignia
Squad Special/Heavy weapons operators (Lance Corporals) - One stripe
Squad Vox operator (Corporal) - Two stripes
Squad Sergeant (Seargeant) - Three stripes
Platoon leading Junior Officer (Colour Sergeant) - Three Stripes with a dot above them (The dot would normally be a crown)
Senior officer (Captain) - depicted with this: http://www.uniforminsignia.net/_u/un...om-army_09.gif
These ranks are a little innacurate in their application but give a good indication of their in-game usage.
I also have medics marked out with red crosses, etc.
Remember it's unlikely you'd see a Brigadier General or a Field Marshall in the small engagements depicted in 40k.
Feel free to make up your own ranking system of course!
*Promotes his favourite guardsman to grand high poohbah*
Well, allright. Lets skip the "how is it like in real life" part and invent my own!
(btw I don't think vox casters and special weapon operators are higher in rank than their lasgun-carrying mates)
Conscripts: Basic Private rank, they get one stripe and a white stripe on their helmets (like in the codex)
Guardsmen including heavy weapon platoons, special weapon carryers, and vox casters: Basic Private rank, they get one stripe
Sergeants: Well, they have the "Sergeant" rank. They get 2 stripes
Veterans and Strormptroopers: they are elite and thus get a "Privivate First Class" rank. I will give them 1 stripe with a small dot under it (dot = the crossed guns)
Veteran Sergeants and StormTroopers Sergeants are "Sergeant First Class" and get 2 stripes with a dot under it.
Junior Officers get one big star on their shoulderpad,
Senior Officers get two big stars.
I am not sure about the officer thing yet, maybe there are cooler high-rank insignas out there.
Private 1st Class: <*
Sergeant 1st Class: <<*
Junior Officers: X
Senior Officers: XX
I don't think I'll need any more ranks. I know it is unrealistic as in Private 1st Class having Lance Corporal insignas, but I dont care, I just want my soldiers to look cool
Thanks for all the help so far
No problem I hope my advice helped out, like I said 40k armies don't really follow modern military structures in many ways so adapting ranks into roles or making up your own seems a good bet.Originally Posted by MisterDutch
BTW: Decide on a rank for your supreme leader then pin it on your own shoulder hehe.
Of course the other arguement is that anyone wearing rank insignia on battle dress is basically waving a large falg saying - snipers please shoot me!
Ok Ive thought up of a way to counter this:Originally Posted by Cheredanine
special Imperial Guard rule. If you paint rank insignas on commander they can be shot normally. If they don't, then they are immune to sniper rifles!!! :cool:
Or... maybe not.
Another way to prevent them from being sniped is making them hide in a pool of **** and slowely crawl along with their army... surely snipers won't notice them then!