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With everyone gearing their army toward killing power armor, how -even with an improved codex- can a marine army win a tournement?
Why do they win?
A T4 3+ save unit costs 15...and you can have 40 of them on the board...
They have t4 2+/5+ units that can walk thru what ever hell you want to put them in
They are str4 and you can chop most stuff to bits in CC...
They have LandSpeeder Tornados
They have assault cannons
They have bs4, most shots are going where you want them to
They have Vindicators...a str 10 ap2 pie plate...
They have whirlwinds with landmines and ordinance..
The list goes on....They are no where near weak.
marines also have a close combat dynamo walker with an assault cannon and storm bolter that conveniently fits in a drop pod.
The point is how can an army survive massive hatred. Number does count. GW is supposed to have made each army equal but since everyone are packing ap3, marines are at a clear dissadvantage.
The people who hate marines at this point, don't like to tool there armies to beat one other army. They instead will treat any new player toting this army very dubiously.
Three Companies of the 26th Vinancium
143rd Airborne Badgers (99.9% done)
159th Corsair Rifles (35% done))
69th Armored Wall Busters (95% done)
Total 197 men, 12 tanks, 4 Heavy Artillery Pieces
I'll tell you EXACTLY how an army can survive massive "hatred"!!Originally Posted by MarcTheDwarf
Because they're massively loved! Not just by 50% of the player population, but also because Games Workshop loves the Space Marines to no end.
They have plenty of things that can stand up to little AP3 weapons, and no army can field TOO many AP3 weapons...Imperial Guard being the army that can sport a LOT of them, but even then, not exactly that much however if you can look at everything Marines can get.
Sure, armies sport AP3 weapons..
But armies also sport, INCLUDING Space Marines, AP4 and AP5 weapons - in fact, almost every single gun in this game has at least an AP5.
So does that mean Imperial Guard, Eldar, Dark Eldar...etc. etc. are at a disadvantage? Since everyone packs those weapons?
Do you see where I'm getting at?
I've seen squads get hit by even a mighty Demolisher cannon and all in them survive. I've seen a hulking Dred wipe out twice it's points in a single turn. I've seen a mighty BT Marshal chew through whole squads of IG without being killed. Facing off against a terrifying Ork Warboss, I have seen a humble Champion of the Emperor prevail. BY NO MEANS ARE THE ADEPTUS ASTARTES WEAK.
I need the bugger so I can see!
I just think sm are one of the best armies in the game, saying just 3 things:
- assault cannon
- terminator armor
- basic troops with as 3+
that's all guys...
ah, and power fists!
The Thousand Sons and The Ultramarines face eachother on opposite sides of a battlefield.
Bob: Move the troops into those strategic positions to face the chaos scum!
Magnus: *Eyes glow* You want to move the troops into the minefield.
Bob: *Turns to Sergeant* No, move them into the minefield instead.
Magnus: Heh.(\_/)Originally Posted by
SM Emperor's shadows: Undefeated 15-0-0(the last count as 2 ;) )
SM Lysander Bomb:Undefeated 2-0-0
I don't really understand why this thread was made. IMO all armies have advantages and disadvantages. MarcTheDwarf, you seem to be only pointing out the disadvantages. :huh: :hmm:
EXACTLY RIGHT!I was waiting for somone to say it before i do and Peirced53 you hit the nail right on the head there mate.Thats right every army has advantages and disadvantages and all can be beaten.And i disagree with the following statement:Originally Posted by Pierced53I utterly disagree on this point.Space Marines are by FAR hated.They are suverly loved!So many people including me collect them.Originally Posted by MarcTheDwarf