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While I'm going to phrase my question in terms of Space Marines, it really translates into many different armies. It's simply easier to phrase it this way.
I'm putting together a Black Templars army, and I am painting them more or less the same way as they are portrayed by GW. Black bodies, white shoulder pads, and the occasional white leg or knee piece. However, I have a problem. I can never settle on just one (or three, or seven) choices. I like variety. As such, I also would like to be able to play a standard codex (with or without traits) army. I'm likely to even want to toy around with perhaps putting together a Blood Angels (or some other special type of) army. This brings me to my question:
In your experience, how bent out of shape would people get if I was to pull out a Black Templars army, but play a codex (with or without traits) army list? How about if I was to play them as Dark Angels?
Keep in mind, I intend on keeping fully (or with a great and reasonable attempt at being) WYSIWYG. I'd simply be playing with the wrong colors and chapter symbols. Also, for example, were I to put together Blood Angels, I would make sure to paint a Death Company distinct from the regular troops. My goal here isn't to confuse the people I'm playing with. I'm simply trying to avoid having to paint the same 40 Marines three times over. I love painting, but I hate repeating myself.
I realize that my getting away with this is greatly dependant on the local environment. However, I'm fairly new to the game, and I'd like to have some idea of how big of a favor I'm asking people to give me when I do this. I personally have no problems with it. Then again, I've been known to make M:tG decks entirely out of full color printed proxies. I'm a touch more liberal about this sort of thing than your typical gamer.
I have an army that is some shade of dark green with bone highlights on the shoulder pad rims. I have played it as Dark Angels and plan to play it as any successor chapter that uses dark green as a base colour up to and including a DIY chapter with or without traits. But I doubt they'd pass for blood angels and I wouldn't even try.
I'm not sure if WYSISYG extends to paint scheme but if a tournament organizer lets you field them as something radically different you shouldn't expect good scores from the other players. If you're playing non-tournament then anything goes as long as you have the other player's permission (you can't force them to play you after all).
In my opinion, if you're going to paint them as a specific chapter, it should be that specific chapter. It's one thing to have your marines be black and white, quite another to look exactly like Black Templars and claim that they are, but use different rules.
Getting a feel or testing things out is fine, different things are suited for different players, but switching traits or even codexes to gain an advantage, I think would generally be frowned upon.
I think this is an even bigger issue when the Black Templars are going to be their own stand alone codex, you'd essentially be fielding an army that looks like a certain army but then say they are something else, they'd practically be proxies.
My reccomendation would be to create a similar paint scheme if that's what you want, and then eventually settle on what they are. At the very least tell your opponent specifically what they are.
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I wouldn't do anything like this in a tournament. People will be playing multiple games that day and have enough on their minds already. I wouldn't expect them to remember that I may look and smell like a rose, but I am in fact a very unpleasant piece of bologna left under the radiator. It'd just be for casual games.
I wouldn't be switching to a different army just to gain an advantage either. It's hardly a friendly thing to do, and if I really wanted to pull something like that... I could always simply tweak my list without changing from Black Templars. If you're going to be dirty, at least have the courtesy to be subtle about it. I'm simply thinking of doing this to add some variety without spending large quantities of time or money.
Thanks for the feedback so far.
I wouldn't personally be bent out of shape if I bumped into a player doing this but I wouldn't recommend it either. If you want to field an army that can be changed on a whim use a custom color scheme... that way no one can complain because your Ultra's look like Blood Angels... instead they can only complain about that eye sore lime green successor army you decided to field is blinding them.
Like you I simply can't afford to paint and field three differant SM armies, and while my core troops are painted very similar to the BT's it's just because the color scheme was easy to paint for me. Thus far I've used them as Ultra's, BT's, and a BT Successor Army without anyone giving me grief, just make sure you have some fluff to go along with them to cover why this particular troop is painted in this scheme.
Edit: A side thought... I've used the excuse that this particular company was attached to assist in a crusade for the past 60 years and while in route to return to there parent chapter mission XYZ came up. That's usually more than enough for the officals to nod and move along
Last edited by Morgue; October 20th, 2005 at 01:00.
Its one thing to have a black and white scheme and call them whatever chapter you want, and paint them like Black Templars and play them as Dark Angels.
In a casual game I really would not care if you were playing the Black Templars and Necrons. But in a tourney I don't want an army that looks like it will rush into HTH to sit and shoot like the DA.
The Only Constant is change.
Dont the Black Templars gather from across the galaxy for a Crusade every once in a while? Couldn't you claim the different squads aquired different colors to show their feats or whatever during a non-crusade time? Like colors to represent the traits of each squad.
When it comes to changing colors, I only care if one squad has multiple colors. Each squad should be different from another at any given time. Except for Necrons, cuz they hav WBB to screw things up and such.
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Are you going to be using the new black templar models though?
If you are then i would have a problem with it and find it very odd.But otherwise i wouldnt have a problem with it.
Also some player might have a problem with it so and some players might refuse to give you a game,but that would be quite a minority.
As long as you mentioned it to me before the match, I wouldn't care a bit.
To me, painting your army one color, then experimenting with a different chapter's rules/traits is no big deal. Like you said, as long as you're WYSIWYG, game on.
I mean really, is it any different than playing against the infamous "primer marines" with the guy across the table saying "Uh, yeah, these are Dark Angels- I just haven't had time to paint them,"?
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To everyone who replied, thanks for your input. I liked the mention of the Adeptus Primer Marines. Hadn't thought of that comparison before, and it really is a fairly good one.