Welcome to Librarium Online!
Join our community of 80,000+ members and take part in the number one resource for Warhammer and Warhammer 40K discussion!
Registering gives you full access to take part in discussions, upload pictures, contact other members and search everything!
Hey I was making a friendly list of space wolves so that my brother and I could go in a two on two match against a pair of chaos players and had a question about the Mark of Wulfen.
It says you have to put it on a wolf guard, but it says there are two ways to use the wolfguard. 1 - as vet sarges for squads and 2 - as a bodyguard for your HQ charecters. My problem is that they have two different prices and I would like to use one as an independent character with the Mark of Wulfen. I was just wondering which price I use; it seems like I could either pull one out of my body guard and pay the lower price, or I could take one away from a greyhunters squad and pay the higher price, but what are the effects going to be in the overall list?
-do I have to have a retinue on my wolfpriest (lord/battle leader/runic preist) to use the lower price?
-is my max retinue size decreased by one if I am using one of them as an independant character?
-If I have to use a pack leader do I have to have a squad without a pack leader?
-Is their another issue I am missing?
thanks for you thoughts.
You cannot use Wolf Guard as independant characters. It's as simple as that.
Right, but any model that carries the Mark of the Wulfen is treated as an independent character.
To answer your questions. No, it would not affect your retinue rule required HQ units, unless you put the mark on a Wolf Guard Battle Leader. Which is something I would recommend because of the fact hes a relatively cheap HQ/IC unit. Put a Frost Blade and a bolt pistol on him, and you'll have a pretty powerful unit.
Technically, I believe if you put it on a Pack Leader, the answer to that would be a yes. You would then have a pack that would operate w/o a pack leader. This is not as much as a problem as it would be for other SM armies.....Wolf Packs can operate without a Sergeant equivalent. Although, again, I would look at putting the Mark on an IC, preferably a WGBL.
Altogether, as far as the Mark goes, its a powerful upgrade, but in terms of a "normal" SW army, its a dangerous upgrade. Because the model that takes it cannot be a part of a normal squad, or take a bodyguard, he becomes a major target because he has no meatshields. Against a shooty army he will die pretty quickly. The Wulfen are best in the 13th Company army list, where you can take several of them in an elite unit. Personal opinion here, I dont usually use the Mark in my armylists.
Ok. Thanks for that Lord_Wallace. But, I don't think a WG Pack Leader would be able to split up from it's pack, though, as it says this in its codex entry. However, it probably just means it cannot be targetted out from shooting etc.
You can't put the mark on a battle leader; it says so in the FAQ. Any way you use it with non-13th company is going to be dangerous, but the game is just for fun, and I am playing chaos (undevided, but I would bet mostly with Khorne marks on the elites and the Lord) so I thought I might add a marked character just for fun (plus I am currently using 19 wolfguard in my list, and have never used a wolfen).
It sounds like you guys think i can just add another Wolfguard to my retinue and give him the mark which forces him out of the retinue. However I don't mind that he doesn't have a meat shield, they can't shoot him unless he is close, and then if they shoot him the squad nearest him gets pretty free rain to do what they want.
Okay, let me clarify some things for people.
1. A WGBL may NOT be given Mark of the Wulfen, or equipment at Wolf Guard discount. It has been said time and time again, he is Wolf Guard by name only.
2. Mark of the Wulfen may only be given to a Wolf Guard Pack Leader, and only one. He is an independant character, and may not join any squads during the game.
3. Members of a Wolf Guard bodyguard may not be given Mark of the Wulfen.
Sam Mills (1959-2005) and Mark Fields - Keep Pounding
Cry Cheese, And Let Loose The Wraithlords And Templar!
And one more thing, Lord_Wallace mentioned the MotW in 13th Company. The Marks there have different effects than the Mark in regular SW. It just enhances the model and the pack he's in.
in normal SW rules a model bearing the mark of wulfen cannot be part of any pack. he is an independant character
Ah, thanks for the info on the WGBL. I was aware that he didnt take the equipment at the WG discount, however, I was under the impression that any IC or WG member could take the MotW. Im not too familiar with all of its rules since I never use the mark itself, just familiar enough about it to know that its highly dangerous in a standard SW armylist.
Without a doubt, the MotW in the 13th Company is much different. Fluffwise, the 13th Company was even more suspect to the Curse than the rest of the Legion pre-Heresy, and their years trapped in the EoT made that even more powerful. Not too clear of all the effects and how it works in the 13th, but I know that Wulfen in that armylist cant use any weaponry such as pistols or bolters. In CC, they are beasts though.
In 13th Company you've got units of Wulfen. They're as you said absolute beasts.
But you've also got the Mark of the Wulfen. That is an upgrade ICs and Wolf Guard can take. It doesn't turn them into Wulfen, but gives them and their pack a combat bonus. It's a great additive.