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I was wondering would it be more effective to take the independant Commissar doctrine and take 3 commissars than taking Close Order drill or having a huge Vox network. Because I find that just taking bare commissars and having them walk around the field is more effective than having vox and taking all those doctrines for extra leadership. because having them spaced through your army gives them nearly the entire army Ld 10 and you can have your Hq worry about other stuff or even have it a combat Hq because it stops being nessecery.
I want your thoughts and want to see what has worked for you.
It depends on tactics. If you keep your guys bunched up, then it'll work, the 12in (?) leadership circle will help out a lot. If you don't you can still keep some of the bigger units in line. I don't remember if the FAQ said anything specific about this but, I think the +1 Ld the commissar adds transfers into the vox network, just not the fall back thing. Perhaps not.
Three Companies of the 26th Vinancium
143rd Airborne Badgers (99.9% done)
159th Corsair Rifles (35% done))
69th Armored Wall Busters (95% done)
Total 197 men, 12 tanks, 4 Heavy Artillery Pieces
most common use of the independent commissar is to stick them in the middle of a conscript platoon, so instead of having a squad of 30 guys at leadership 7...you have 30 at leadership 10...not too bad if you ask me.
I have close order drill and die hards though, so im pretty much ALWAYS at leadership 10, even if outnumberd 20 to 1
My 40K Armies:
- Thousand Sons
- Mordian Imperial Guard
- Dark Eldar
My Fantasy Armies:
- Lhamian Vampire Counts
Buy your Commissars normally. I don't believe its worth a Doctrine and the extra points. Once you have one in each Command squad you can be pretty much sure your whole army already has Ld 10.
However, one effective way to use the Indepentants would be to give the Commissars Iron Discipline. Even if the squad isn't in range when they take their morale check, if they fall back into Officer range they are almost sure to regroup.
The only competitive use that I've come across Is a large group of conscipts led by an IND commissar with trademark Item re-rollable LD10 Is virtually fearless!
Commissars do not get the command special rule so no 12" bubbles for them, also If you fail a LD check thats your officer down with nobody to lead your army as the commissar certainly won't do the job :w00t:
Yeah I noticed that skimming my Codex after posting. Ok then without the bubble, there really isn't much use for this doctrince.Originally Posted by Cadian7th
Except for the above example- The idea of a 150 Conscripts frog-marched out to die by a few Commissars... brutal, fluffy and with that many wounds, tactically sound. Very IG.
What do you mean by no 12" bubble for independant commissars cause without that that makes the doctrine completely useless other than for conscripts.
Sorry for such an short answer but... Yeah, it is kinda useless besides for fluff and conscripts. My own opinion about it atleast. Only guard officers have a leadership bubble around them.Originally Posted by Commissar