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I was considering doing a DIY chapter for my next army, and I really like the trait "Honor Your Wargear." Essential I use it to bring 5-6 devastator sqauds, with missle launchers, in upper point lists. I also include a couple of rhino CC squads and a drop pod unit for mobility. So my question is whether or not my bringing 5-6 dvasquads with missle launchers is cheese, or just beardy?
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The problem with marines is that they are a hairs width away from being cheesey/beardy no matter what we do. Seems like it would be cool so go for it...
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Beardy, I'd say. Just hope you won't end up againt Deathwing.
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Beardiness/Cheesiness, at its limits, tends to be based on feel.
A U.S. Supreme Court Justice named Potter Stewart made a pertinent quote about hard-core adult entertainment vs. art that contained nudity and where the line was to be drawn: "I shall not today attempt further to define [those] kinds of material … but I know it when I see it."
The same applies to cheese, it's hard to define, but you know it when you see it.
Thus, a simple guideline would be, "Don't take a whole lot of any single thing to where it's the defining characteristic of your list, regardless of the strengths or weaknesses it would confer on your army."
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Yes, most peole classify maxing out on dev squads to be cheesy. I personally dont, as it could be worse, but most people you show your army to wont feel that way.
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Efficiency VS Point Cost VS Ease Of Use - Your best bets:
1) Chaplain led Assault squad - 2 plasma pistols, powerfisted sergeant
2) 8 man Devastator squad - 4 missile launchers
3) Land Speeder Tornado - HB + AC
The army is only cheesy if the openent was thinking "perfect marines, ill out shoot him, maybe a counter charge here and there, ill have this game in the bag." Then he finds out You out shoot him. Of course you narrow your effective ness to be able to do this, for example, a first time nid player fielding basic troops would roll through your army woundering why the dreaded marines where considered so good, because youd be better off shooting bolters into nids then rockets, the big ones are just their to absorb fire, the little ones are what get you. Id say cheese is just a word for good specialistion, (except when you mix the word Chaos with cheese, then its probably true, stupid demon princes summuning more demons who can charge in the first turn they arrive, unlike any other unit in the entire game -.-)
I dont think that is cheesy at all there are in my opinion far worse things believe me. Immagine 3 moniliths deep striking into the center or that formation yeah. A cron player shouldn't have that many monoliths but a space marine player normally wont have that many devastators. Every unit has its weakness, what makes you a good player is 1. Luck (yeah thats right dice win games) 2 your ability to minimize your weaknesses 3 your ability to maximize your strenghts (exploit your ememies weaknesses). Yes i am the champion/best tacticion and now people fear me when they battle it is funny they try and make a starcannon list and well deep strike a couple of midrange combat specialists into their army and their toast. I have played an army similar to that (iron warriors) only he used tanks to. I just deep striked some assault sqauds with melta bombs it was really funny.
If you didn't bother to read all that my point is nothing is cheesy. Just know your enemy and use the best units you have to fight him.
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I once had an army with 20 missile launchers, 4 heavy bolters, and after that, just drop-podding stuff. It was incredibly effective and awesome.
i dont think anything which is actually in the rules cheesy, i may not like something but i will still fight it, the only things which are cheesy are when people cheat or make up imaganery loopholes
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It's the non-imaginary loopholes that I think can be a bit cheesy.Originally Posted by Commander_Knag
For instance, I had an idea of giving a chaplain and his squad counterattack and true grit because in the description for counterattack it says you treat them as charging except for the +1 attack so in theory they'd still get to re-roll hits from litanies of hate.
In theory it works, it's not imaginary, but I'd call it cheesy because I doubt that's what the people who wrote the codex had in mind when they were writing these rules.
Also, what does beardy mean?
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